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Ironically faster tempos are a little easier when it comes to comping I think. A couple of voicings per chord, chromatic approaches, guide tones, even just leaving space here and there work well.
Ballads on the other hand are a different story.
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05-09-2024 04:59 PM
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hey Allen... yea I made quick vid... but wouldn't load and had to split....
back now and had to post vid on my youtube site to download on JGF...
Anyway here is quick example I made earlier. I'll make a few more. I don't really need to practice this stuff, it's what I do'
So yes... I have tonal targets, but what helps make thing lock etc.... is what you use to approach and imply the tonal Targets.
Tal... tempos really don't make any difference... you either understand what your doing and have the skills... or you don't. It's not that difficult.
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Originally Posted by Reg
Tal... tempos really don't make any difference... you either understand what your doing and have the skills... or you don't. It's not that difficult.
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Reg I’m having trouble bridging the gap between what I do now and what I’m missing. Like Peter asked, what should I add to my practice? Adding a V or ii V to approach the next chord?
I know I won’t play like this, just what to practice to get technical chops up.
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^ Play the inversions to the basic chords on the page god damn it.
After that play the inversions with scale notes on top.
This is how you get your chord chops up.
The beginning basis isn't calculus with adding a bunch of changes, although some of that vocab will obviously be involved as part of the process, especially for guitar.
I'll make a video.
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
Here I transcribed part of it for you. Actual changes are in boldface, the lines below the actual changes are what he plays:
| Gmaj7 | Gmaj7 | Gmin7 | C7 |
| Gmaj6 D7#9 Gmaj7| D7#9 Abmin7| Gmin7 Abdim (ie G7b9) | C7b13#9 C7b13 Gbmaj6|
| Fmaj7 | Fmaj7 | F-7 | Bb7|
| Fmaj6 C7sus C7b13 | Fmaj6 Gb9 | Fmin9 Fmin11 | Bb13 Bb7b13 |
| Ebmaj7 | Amin7b5 D7 | Gmin7 | ...
| Eb6 Eb713(*) | Amin11 Amin7b5 D7#9 | Gmin 7 ...
(*) He calls this blues. He does this a few times in the video. In bars where a maj7 chord is called, he plays a common Dom13 (technically dom7 6) voicing (in Eb):
x
4
5
5
4
x
That's your 7th, third, sixth and root.
So just pickup the Joe Pass chords book. Learn the voicings there. Practice targeting with dominants and parallel chromatic chords. This is pretty vanilla as Reg would also say.Last edited by Tal_175; 05-09-2024 at 07:55 PM.
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
I looked at the Joe Pass book and it was just a bunch of chord diagrams. I already spent months mapping out my own diagrams and learning a bunch of inversions I don't use. I'm not exactly eager to do it all over again.... I'll try working though the progressions in the back.
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It’s become apparent I can’t just skip to the back of the Joe Pass book. LOL
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Don’t worry Jeff.
They all find their way back to the shells.
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It'll be all good.
I'm just loving that Buddy Tate record right now...thanks Tal 175.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Where the voicings were apparent Jeff’s stuff sounded nice. I dunno, too much advice and material all at once. I feel lost… time to learn this weeks 2 bars of Donna Lee.
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith
I agree. That's probably the correct beginning approach to mobility in comping or chording on guitar.
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I feel like I am listening to Jeff. His video was closer to what I think I’m working on than Reg’s. But maybe it’s just that Jeff explained whats happening in more detail.
I really think I just need to sort out a system by woodshedding and practicing with another musician, then in a year I’ll be fine.
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
Originally Posted by mr. beaumontOriginally Posted by pamosmusic
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith
OUT OF CONTROL.
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Come at me bro.
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith
I already did.
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A cage match over nothing is my favorite kind of cage match.
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Side stepping isn’t much of a reharm. on guitar. Just sliding into home.
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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