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    Which classical guitar manufactures make a decent sounding guitar with 1 7/8" nut / truss rod / cutaway? At a decent price? If you have one for sale send me a PM. UK only.

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    Not sure if this will help, but it looks like thomanns has many with 48mm nut width and cutaway. Didn't check for truss rod. This was thommanns usa, but they have a joint over there somewhere too I think. They usually have mp3 of several styles of music with each guitar. I have not played a cutaway classical. But Hanikas usually sound really good. I had a alhambra that sounded good too. A Cordoba I tried was decent.

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    Trussrods are not an important criteria for selecting a nylon string guitar. Many builders use carbon fiber strips to strengthen the neck.

    The Cordoba Stage might be worth considering or Godin’s La Patrie Arena series (that has a trussrod but the nut is the standard 2” or 52mm width). I think these are both relatively low cost choices.

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    I think the importance of having a truss rod depends on the use of the guitar. If playing Brazilian or Jazz, you probably want a consistent lower action, and without a truss rod even reinforced classical necks may eventually move.

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    Cordoba Orchestra Fusion 12 has these features

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    Old school classical player here…. I play all kinds of Brazilian music and jazz on a typical concert classical with a 2” nut and 3.5 mm action.

    Take a listen, this lady has small hands and kills it on a standard CG. This Dyens arrangement has huge stretches.


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    48mm was more or less the standard in early 19th century ("pre-romantic") guitars, AFAIK. Anything less and you better have really thin fingers and not play anything too complex because you'll be pulling/pushing the E strings over the edge.

    A trussrod may not be necessary on a classical but I would still want one. Currently using mine to keep the action high enough on my Cabaret. I find its 50mm nut a very nice compromise that's just a bit easier on my joints for barré chords but still gives enough spacing between the strings.

    To the OP: what's a decent price? Hanika would be a good choice and they do have build-to-order options for narrower nuts, radiused fretboards, shorter scale lengths, etc. It's not really clear how you order those though.

    I'd stay away from Cordoba unless you're prepared to test-drive each potential buy in the store and do the QC yourself.

    Kremona could be a good option. Their Rosa Luna flamenca ticks almost all your boxes (not certain about the trussrod), the Lulo Reinhardt Kiano too though it may not be as powerful as a standard classical.

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    I bought an old Brazilian guitar, which sounds very good and inspiring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donnd
    Old school classical player here…. I play all kinds of Brazilian music and jazz on a typical concert classical with a 2” nut and 3.5 mm action.

    Take a listen, this lady has small hands and kills it on a standard CG. This Dyens arrangement has huge stretches.

    Wow, that put a HUGE smile on my face Thanks for posting that!

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    These days there are MANY choices with those specs. Some quite traditional, some not quite so. Name your price ceiling. I have owned several, but am still partial to this model:


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    Following as I am also interested in a guitar like this as well, but with NO electronics installed. Having the body be a tad thinner would be nice, as well. The Pavan TP-20/30 AC models are pretty close, but with a 50mm nut and no truss rod (I don't think).

    I find a lot of these "fusion"/"crossover" models but so many look fairly cheap and I'd like to find something reputable and with a good acoustic sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris32895
    Following as I am also interested in a guitar like this as well, but with NO electronics installed. Having the body be a tad thinner would be nice, as well. The Pavan TP-20/30 AC models are pretty close, but with a 50mm nut and no truss rod (I don't think).

    I find a lot of these "fusion"/"crossover" models but so many look fairly cheap and I'd like to find something reputable and with a good acoustic sound.
    I wore myself out trying to find something without electronics and failed, so I bit the bullet and bought the Cordoba Orchestra Fusion 12 and think it will work for me. I doubt I'll ever plug it in as I usually use a mic but might experiment and see how it sounds.

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    You can always have the electronics pulled out but if properly installed you shouldn't notice them. I do like how it allows me to plug in my tuner.

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    Maurice Dupont of France makes cutaway nylon string guitars. His guitars are usually 1 3/4 nuts, I believe the nylon models are 48mm nuts. I sure not about truss rods in the nylon models (I bet they have them). These are high quality guitars. I would inquire directly with Maurice regarding specifics.

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    Is there someplace like this near you?

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    Takamine makes some like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cunamara
    Takamine makes some like this.
    I've never tried a Takamine nylon stringer but found all their steel strung models I tried extremely disappointing acoustically. From what I've been told they are a good example of "why bother with acoustic sound if you're going to plug in anyway (and we have 'acclaimed' electronics)".

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    I have one of these and I like it:

    Lowden

    Lowden S-25J Red Cedar Rosewood | The Music Emporium

    I've considering one of these nylon string archtops by Mr. Slaman

    nylonstringjazzguitar

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    Quote Originally Posted by pawlowski6132
    I've considering one of these nylon string archtops by Mr. Slaman
    He doesn't build them anymore though.

    I too almost bought one 2y ago, until I discovered that they have a 1.75" nut. I already have 1 nylon stringer with that narrow a fretboard, and it's a real challenge even if you don't have big fingers like I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pawlowski6132
    I have one of these and I like it:

    Lowden

    Lowden S-25J Red Cedar Rosewood | The Music Emporium

    I've considering one of these nylon string archtops by Mr. Slaman

    nylonstringjazzguitar
    I've noticed a lot of recent guitars with those double holes in the bridge for tying. Looks like a good idea.

    12 - hole tie block

    Classical Guitar With 1 7/8" Nut / Truss Rod / Cutway-bridge-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Sound
    I've noticed a lot of recent guitars with those double holes in the bridge for tying. Looks like a good idea.
    It is, but you can just as well use string beads with a standard tie block. You avoid all risk of ding'ing the top if your tie knot fails plus you can have pre-beaded spares in case you need to replace a broken string in a hurry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJVB
    It is, but you can just as well use string beads with a standard tie block. You avoid all risk of ding'ing the top if your tie knot fails plus you can have pre-beaded spares in case you need to replace a broken string in a hurry.
    Yeah, I have the beads on two of my guitars. Most traditionalists scoff at them, but I like them.

    However, without actually having tried one, I think I might like the 12-hole solution better.

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    I like the beads, they make changing strings much faster. I have two 11-string alto guitars (for playing baroque lute tab) that I have converted to beads. Those 0.52” low wound basses are really hard on a tie block.

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    Many thanks for all your replies--much appreciated.

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