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It drives me up the wall listening to demos and how tos of these types of units.
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10-16-2024 01:35 PM
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It's the ALTO TS308 ! Un-beatable in price/performance ...
Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
Alto TX 308 – Thomann United Kingdom
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Especially with rechargeable Lithium 9V batteries Originally Posted by GuyBoden
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That's the TX.. The TS308 is discontinued. Replaced by the TS408 which has a different sound to me, but you can tweak the EQ on it now. Originally Posted by gitman
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Isn't this similar to the Boss Fender-branded pedal that was sold for awhile until about 10 years ago?
Just a moment...
I was looking for one to use with my Fishman Loudbox to give it some oomph.
I eventually got a TCE Tube Pilot (with an actual tube in it) and a TCE Choka Trem pedal, so I don't really need the Deluxe 65, but this looks like a nice piece of kit.
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no, totally different and much better tech. The boss/fender thing is a toy compared to the TC.
Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff
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The Helix Stomp has such extensive EQ possibilities that I don’t miss this feature on my unit. It’s set and forget for me since I don’t have to adjust the speaker for a specific room Sound , it’s my personal monitor and I have my sounds all dialed in. ? Originally Posted by bleakanddivine
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The advantage of eq on the unit is when you need to make global adjustments for the room that apply to all the presets. I know the hx has global eq but I sometimes use my modeler with an aguilar tonehammer head and the eq knobs are perfect for guitar or bass. Super easy to make global adjustments and they are not saved and easily changed... Originally Posted by gitman
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Not for me since I want downloadable IR's and more robust EQ. Nice that it's inexpensive ($150) though. Hope it's quiet.
Last edited by Spook410; 10-17-2024 at 12:53 AM.
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Yes, the Global EQ is really "on top" of the other EQ modules that are available in the unit. I have set the Global EQ as a high and low pass filter so that the monitor never gets boomy or strident. The EQ modules within the various presets Originally Posted by jzucker
are easily manipulated as are the amp models, it's just a question of how well one knows the architecture of these machines ... I do wish they would implement a bluetooth-connection so that I could program/tweak via my iPad !
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TCE is a great company, though IMO the customer service is lacking, at least it was when I was having problems with my Ditto X4 Looper.
That said, even though I'm not a pedalhead I should have a frequent flyer account for TCE pedals, cause they make just about something for every need.
(My other favorite pedal company is EHX. I have a few of theirs too.)
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I just thought I'd throw this into the discussion. As I've researched this pedal, this was the one example that I found most useful. Some very simple and nice tones.
And I'm not sure if this thread should make me happy or sad. I was literally waiting for the delivery of a UAFX Dream 65 to arrive later the same day that Jack posted this. Once I plugged in the Dream, I really liked it but $180 is a lot to save and I love the control layout on the TC unit. I bought the Dream for a low enough price that I can certainly make the change with no loss and I'm really not sure I'm going to use any of the added features on the Dream.Last edited by Jim Soloway; 10-17-2024 at 10:18 PM.
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Does the tone stack on the EQ knobs work like a Fender amplifier (i.e. flat = 0-10–0)? Or is flat 5-5-5?
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technically I'm not sure but I find that I have it dialed about like I dial a real fender amp. Originally Posted by Cunamara
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The UA Dream must be the best digital sim i 've played for a clean Fender sound, to my ears it sounds a lot better than Kemper, Boss Gt1000core, Line 6 HX stomp, Tonex and a bunch of others i've had in the past. But personally for live gigging, especially when other instruments are involved (not a solo gig) and not using in ear, i still prefer analog devices like the Sansamp Blond, or even a simple Quilter Phantom Block (my latest purchase to try out) when not using an amp. I have tried really hard to make digital work for me, but can't. It sounds great at home, great by itself, great over the internet, but in real live sound it always seems to vanish in a mix with actual instruments (live or even in a recording), it reacts weirdly with rooms, and the response of the guitar is completely different and less expressive than with analog sound, always some weird compression and a "plastic" fake feeling. So not for me, although i use it at home a lot.
We compared the TC with the Dream in a friends studio, and while the TC sounded good, the Dream was clearly better over any amp or monitor we used. It works great as a preamp and color too, just run it through the input of a tube amp or a Henriksen and it makes them sound a lot fuller. But you still kind of sacrifice a bit of the immediacy of the amp. Didn't come across a headroom problem like Jack did, but we were using single coil guitars and my Gibson 335 (which has low output pafs set really low too). I'll buy a Dream at some point for sure!
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I guess there's no single answer. I disliked the UA Dream and most of the UA digital products. At one point, i had the dream, their reverb, delay and modulation pedals and was never happy with them. I feel like their buffer or A/D tech changes the fundamental sound of the guitar in a way that I wasn't happy with.
I feel like the reverb in the UA Dream is fake sounding. Not convincing. The TC reverb actually sounds very good. Arguably better than the fractal spring reverb. The biggest issue with the UA Dream is lack of headroom. It was clearly designed for blues and rock guys. Playing an archtop with 0.012s, there was no setting that I could get reasonable output on where it wasn't distorting on hard chords. The TC has a ton of clean headroom. And the kemper and tonex are in another league in terms of actual modeling amp technology. Sadly, the reverb in the kemper and tonex kind of sucks so it wasn't usable for me for a true fender tone. I had the sansamp blonde and it was nice for an analog pedal but didn't really nail the fender sound.
By the way, a ton of jazz guitarists are using kemper and fractal live instead of an amp. Metheny and Rosenwinkel have been using them for years and sound great live...
Originally Posted by Alter
The UA Dream must be the best digital sim i 've played for a clean Fender sound, to my ears it sounds a lot better than Kemper, Boss Gt1000core, Line 6 HX stomp, Tonex and a bunch of others i've had in the past. But personally for live gigging, especially when other instruments are involved (not a solo gig) and not using in ear, i still prefer analog devices like the Sansamp Blond, or even a simple Quilter Phantom Block (my latest purchase to try out) when not using an amp. I have tried really hard to make digital work for me, but can't. It sounds great at home, great by itself, great over the internet, but in real live sound it always seems to vanish in a mix with actual instruments (live or even in a recording), it reacts weirdly with rooms, and the response of the guitar is completely different and less expressive than with analog sound, always some weird compression and a "plastic" fake feeling. So not for me, although i use it at home a lot.
We compared the TC with the Dream in a friends studio, and while the TC sounded good, the Dream was clearly better over any amp or monitor we used. It works great as a preamp and color too, just run it through the input of a tube amp or a Henriksen and it makes them sound a lot fuller. But you still kind of sacrifice a bit of the immediacy of the amp. Didn't come across a headroom problem like Jack did, but we were using single coil guitars and my Gibson 335 (which has low output pafs set really low too). I'll buy a Dream at some point for sure!Last edited by jzucker; 10-17-2024 at 08:21 PM.
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Pardon a non-connoisseur question, but:
What is the difference between the TCE Combo Deluxe 65 and a Joyo American sound?
Apart from ~$100 price difference and on-board reverb, anyway.
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The combo deluxe is digital, the Joyo is an analog clone of the samsamp blonde. Different quality points, and different generations and technology (analog amp sim vs digital modeling, analog cab sim vs IRs etc).
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The joyo is a copy of one of the analog sansamp pedals which attempts to add even order harmonics and a slight gain to simulate a tube amp. The TC is actually a sample player utilizing thousands of samples of an actual deluxe reverb and generating a modeled, amp signal. Totally different technologies. Originally Posted by dconeill
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Alter and jzucker kindly responded to my previous question. However:
I beg your pardon, but I wasn't clear in my question. For purposes of this question, I am completely indifferent to the technology used. (I'm not without interest in the differences of how the two pedals work, and thank you for your comments. But that's not my concern here.)
My question should have been,
Pardon a non-connoisseur question, but:
What is the difference in effected tone quality, versatility, and noise between the TCE Combo Deluxe 65 and a Joyo American sound, apart from the onboard reverb of the TCE?
I will try to ask a better question next time.
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The question was answered along with the technical questions. There's a night and day difference in TONE between joyo/sansamp and the digital modeling technologies by kemper, fractal, tc, etc... Originally Posted by dconeill
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Thank you. Originally Posted by jzucker
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Realy? My 1x12 Mark IV combo is 85 watts with a half wattage switch and is about 80 pounds. My Fender TM Twin is 85 watts with 5 or 6 lesser wattage points, 2x12, and 33 pounds. It's the weight. Tubes might sound a bit better by yourself, but gigging with a band that difference dissipates and the weight is still less than half. A 33 pound 2x12 Celestion 85 watt Fender Twin is a God send amp. Originally Posted by alltunes
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Surprised this has to be said. For me it's several things. Originally Posted by jim777
- i had my second spinal surgery in may 2023
- i don't want to support russian/chinese tubes
- i'm not crazy about jj tubes
- NOS american tubes are ridiculou$ and many of them are not really unused and are super unreliable
- At low volumes, I actually think the modelers sound better
- i can record or practice any time of day with a modeler with headphones
- the same modeler sounds great for rock, jazz, bass, acoustic guitar, nylon string
- modelers are great for recording, arguably better than tubes for clean, no need to worry about extraneous noise from your neighbors leaf blower
Last edited by jzucker; 10-18-2024 at 08:54 AM.
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Any Idea how the TC is in front or in the effects loop of an amp? I have the JOYO American and tried it with my Fishman Lbx 100. It helped warm it up a bit, but still not enough to make my archtops sound good. Originally Posted by jzucker
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