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As the 308 is discontinued there is also the Headrush FRFR108 which seems to be a re-badged 308 with minor changes (-mic-pres, +bluetooth) similarly priced to the 408.
Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
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10-22-2024 01:51 PM
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So I sold the Dream 65 in an hour for exactly what I has paid for it a week earlier and picked up the TC b0x this morning. It's a stupid busy day but I got in a few minutes with it. I learned very quickly that both the reverb tone control and having a mid range control are really useful.
I used the DI output the way Jack said and all was good. I tried the other output and it sounds terrible. What's the non DI output actually supposed to be used for.
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i have a TS410 which is the same shape as the TS408 but with a 10. Sounds great for jazz. Or rock. Or blues. Or metal. The whole point of these is to be FLAT RESPONSE. Each year, they make improvements which in theory give you a flatter sound which is exactly what you want.
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Here's my first recording with the T.C. Combo Deluxe '65. I think I've had a total of 14 minutes with it so far and I haven't opened the manual yet. So clearly I'm just skimming the surface. And FWIW, this is a single track, no edits, no added EQ, an added effect. Just what's coming out of the box.
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the FRFR108 is based on the 408, not the 308. My buddy who sold me the 10" alto is using the headrush FRFR108. Originally Posted by bleakanddivine
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Love it. I haven't listened to a lot of your more recent recordings but this sounds like a real amp to me and sounds beautiful. Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
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The other output is useful if you are going into a guitar-speaker cab. Guitar speakers naturally have a low pass filter around 5-6k typically and are the opposite of flat. So if you run the DI output into that, you will get a muddy, spikey signal. Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
Having said that, the day I got the pedal, I took it to a gig, played through my alto using the regular output and for archtop, it sounded great. It wasn't until the last few tunes of the night - where I was turning on my j rockett Dude pedal that I thought it sounded horrible. The next day, I realized my mistake. Haven't used the regular output since.
In addition to running it through my alto speaker, I also have a bass setup with an Aguilar TH-700 head and a pair of their ultra light 1x12 cabs. Those cabs aren't flat but are close enough. I run the DI output into the front of the aguilar because the tone controls on the aguilar are perfect for guitar. Turning up the treble on it gives me that benson tone. You can get the same thing with the pedal though.
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On the TC Deluxe 65 the 'Output' is a preamp out and is made to go to either a IR loader (something that models a speaker) or to something with an actual guitar speaker. The DI Output has an IR (Celestion) associated with it and is designed to go to an FRFR or recording input. TC doesn't say if an amp stage is also being modeled for the DI out.
I guess you guys really don't look at the manual and just want something with knobs.. good that TC knows what their customers want.Last edited by Spook410; 10-22-2024 at 09:35 PM.
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There is no way I can comment on that video without sounding like my parents reacting to Black Sabbath. I don't know what to call that, but it's certainly not "metal." It's two or three generational steps after metal, whatever one calls it. I'd much rather listen to Motorhead. Originally Posted by jzucker
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I'll read the manual eventually but today was definitely not going to be that day. Originally Posted by Spook410
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Lol. That's technical death metal. It's been a subgenre of metal since the 90s. Originally Posted by Cunamara
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Yes, the amp stage is being modeled. That's the point of this pedal. I believe the celestion IR is the creamback offered on the celestion IR page but they don't specify the exact one. There are a lot of mic variations on these IRs. I do know that it's one of the open back creamback IRs but not sure which mic or mic placement. It sounds great to me. Originally Posted by Spook410
Honestly, I'm not sure the fractal's deluxe reverb is any better and that device is 8x the price.
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I’m curious about the output level of the unit. Will it drive a powered speaker that does not have automatic switching depending on level?
More specifically, I’m thinking about the fact that my ME 80 would not drive my Mackie SRM 350 v. 1 without having additional pre-amplification. That was also true of one of the cheaper Alto models.
I checked the website, but all I could find was a Quickstart guide that did not have sufficient documentation to answer this question
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As for the amp stage, 'preamp' is part of the name of the pedal so not sure what's up with that. And yea, they don't get too specific about the IR or tone control ranges or other stuff. Originally Posted by jzucker
Doesn't really matter. It's not all that expensive, a very convenient format, and what sounds good to the players ear, is good.
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Probably because it's a preamp. Originally Posted by Spook410
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Preamplifier. Amplifier. Speaker. Three different models. Guessing there is no amp model on the bare output but TC doesn't say. Also, they don't say what the amp stage model on the DI out is. Guessing it's a 6V6. My IR Loader lets me choose and I generally prefer the 6L6 even though my preamp is set for more of a blackface tone. Originally Posted by jzucker
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It's an amplifier modeler in a preamp. Designed to be used as a preamp. That's why preamp is in the name. All outputs contain amp modeling but the DI output has the speaker IR after the amp model. It's a deluxe reverb so it's 6V6. I think you're making this way more complicated than it really is. Originally Posted by Spook410
One reason it's so effective and cheap is that you don't have all the bells and whistles of something like the fractal where you can change the output tubes, cabinet, speaker, microphone, mic placement. On the fractal you can adjust the plate voltage, bias, etc., etc...
THE BEAUTY OF THE TC IS THAT IT SOUNDS GREAT AS IS.
There is no feature overload. It's plug and play, much like a real deluxe reverb. And to me, it sounds better and more accurate than what fender is offering. So far, I have not been able to get my fractal - with all the bells and whistles - to sound as good as the TC for a deluxe reverb amp model.
If you don't like the deluxe reverb, don't get this.
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Not sure what's complicated about distinguishing between preamp/amp/speaker. I used the Strymon Iridium for quite awhile. Same concept. Simple controls. Though it did have an IR loader and allowed for BF/Vox/Marshall models.
TC offers several different dumbed down pedals.. Deluxe 65, Vox, Marshall. If that's what the player wants, because it's simple and/or because it's cheap, that's fine. As long as that sounds good to you and it's all you need.
However, I like being able to choose preamp, amp, speaker, and mic. And have full EQ. A Joyo Cab Box costs $180. Along with a Joyo American ($40 preamp) it's much better sounding and offers a much broader palette than my Strymon and fits on a fly weight board with tuner, looper, and reverb. I usually like a 4X10 cabinet, 6L6 amp, U87 mic up close, and 6 band graphic to match the space. But sometimes a 1X12 with a Shure 57. Along with a filter to chop it off at 4Khz or so. Might be tedious for some though Joyo did a good job making the controls intuitive. I enjoy the tech and with a proper FRFR setup, the choices make a distinct tonal difference.
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I think this is an important distinction: some of us enjoy the tech, others, not so much. For some, the simpler the better; for others, part of the enjoyment is dialing in the preferred sound with advanced circuitry, and all the choices that entails. Originally Posted by Spook410
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I'm not so sure I agree with this. I think that the mid control and the tone control on the reverb in the TC box make it much more versatile than an a real Deluxe and specifically address some of the things that I don't care for in a Deluxe. Originally Posted by jzucker
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Nothing is complicated. The combo 65 is a preamp/poweramp/speaker modeler. Originally Posted by Spook410
I have a fractal FM3. I have way more combinations of all kinds of editing parameters than you do with your setup. I can control the preamp tubes, power tubes plate voltages, sag, tube vs SS rectifier, input and output 8 band EQ, parametric EQ, high/low-pass filters, bias, transformer, saturation. and literally dozens of parameters. I can pick from literally a hundred variations of the same speaker mounted in different cabs with different mics and infinitely variable mic placement in 2 dimensions.
But I choose the 65 combo deluxe because the built-in selections for preamp, power amp and speaker work great for me. I don't need all the other choices because it sounds extremely close to a real tube amp, one of the classics of all time, the deluxe reverb.
I'm not saying your methodology is wrong. I'm just saying that in the simplicity of this pedal, lies it's beauty. I have never once bemoaned that I don't have as many choices. I have a zillion choices with the fractal and honestly, with all those choices, I've been preferring to take this pedal to my gigs...
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It's indeed more versatile right but it still sounds like a deluxe reverb. If you don't like the deluxe reverb you probably won't like this pedal. Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
And honestly, i leave the mid at 12 O'Clock and the reverb bright switch off. I don't like the reverb bright switch for anything but roots rock or surf music. So for me, it sounds like a deluxe reverb.
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This thing is on sale for $119 today at Sweetwater. I’ve been wanting some kind of setup with a headphone out for practicing that doesn’t require me to fuss with my laptop, interface, DAW. I ordered and canceled a Tonex which are also on sale, too fussy and complicated. This TC pedal looks perfect and an amazing price. Also a great backup option for gigs.
Hoping I like it
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+1 Simplicity with excellent tonal performance. [Former Princeton Deluxe Reverb diehard]
Raezers Edge 10"Cab -> Electro-Harmonix 44 watt power pedal -> TC Electronics Deluxe Combo 65-> guitar!
Originally Posted by jzucker
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How does it sound with just headphones? Does the IR work with the headphone out? Originally Posted by drbhrb
I was wondering if I could use it as a travel amp for practice when I am away from home.
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