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    What do you replace them with ??

    I've tried a whole bunch (lately 013 -017 d'addario carbon steel ) but they sound "almost" thinner than the JS 112s or Js 113s, 1st 2 strings .

    Sol

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    I'm afraid I don't understand what you're asking. You told us, in a difficult-to-understand way, what you don't like about your current strings: '... but they sound "almost" thinner than ...'. I have no idea what that means.

    But you didn't tell us what you wanted. What are you looking for in replacement E and B strings? What qualities would successful strings have that your current strings don't have?

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    Try them all and listen.

    Then you decide what sounds best.

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    I 've done a forum search but have been unable to find the answer.

    Many of the members have/are using TI JS 112 or 113 but replace the 1st 2 strings . I seem to remember some suggesting specific brands and perhaps sizes so that they sound more like the rest of the wound strings .

    Sol

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    I know this is the most unhelpful piece of advice that you're not looking for but there is only the answer that you, yourself can provide. Lots of forum members have advice, but they're not playing the action, pick, type of music you play with the touch, attack, amp and vocabulary and nuance you play with. THOSE are the things that determine which strings you use.
    Do you like the ability to add a little "bend" to your sustain with a low action? Do you like the thunk of a heavy pick with the top moving by heavy downstrokes? What kind of guitar are you even working with? A D'Aquisto Centura or a tele?
    Are you a beginner who's played mostly Les Pauls with .008 and a breathtakingly low action?

    Strings are a made up of the most delicate of chemistry and expression. They can be the closest you come to the way a singer uses their vocal cords.

    Buy different strings. Try different combos with the music you play and how you play it. Give each set at least a week or two so you can explore what it has to offer.

    It's not in your best interest to set your guitar up to some stranger's preferences when you don't have their tastes.
    GuyBoden's advice- +1

    Note: When I played TI strings, I really liked the uniformity of feel, the lighter touch it allowed me right out of the package. I, myself, had no problem at all. In fact, I thought their gauges were brilliantly matched in a unique way. But that's me. I play fingerstyle on a D'A New Yorker.

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    I like and use TI Jazz swings 012s or 013s..they sound fine and are well balanced ..until the first 2 strings get worn out and I can't tune them anymore, the other 4 are fine , what do you replace the first 2 with when that time comes? I can't get single TI...the D'addario Carbon steel I've tried done blend with the TIs.

    Thx

    S

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    Quote Originally Posted by SOLR
    ... I can't get single TI...
    Why is that? TI makes singles from 0.010 to 0.017, tin- or brass-plated, as found on Just Strings, Strings-by-mail and other online retailers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzshrink
    Why is that? TI makes singles from 0.010 to 0.017, tin- or brass-plated, as found on Just Strings, Strings-by-mail and other online retailers.
    Not avail locally here in my area of Canada, and, I read in these pages,(can't find that older post) that some of the players/members discarded the "tin" plated E and B strings for some other make, just wanted to know which brand they're using.....

    S

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    Found the post finally

    Thomastik Infeld String Problems

    S

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    I replace the two top strings all the time and use plain 13 and 17 strings from D‘Addario, they work just fine.

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    I find the TI plain strings to be a different/brighter sound than what I like, especially for a laminate top guitar that is meant to be played primarily electrically. The output seems lower than I'd like, as well, for that purpose. However, they are really not bad strings at all and it's really just my personal preference for sound. On a carved guitar that has a lot of acoustic sound I find the TI strings sound perfect and I wouldn't change a thing about them, except for maybe bumping the 1st string up a gauge or two.

    I did try for a time on an Ibanez guitar to string it up with TI wound strings, then replace the plain strings with equivalent gauge strings from D'Addario, but found the strings didn't balance well tension-wise and the electric tone didn't quite match the TI strings. I have been wondering of some strings I could find that have an in-between sound from the TI and D'Addario plain strings.

    Probably doesn't add a lot to the conversation, but just my findings with a similar "issue" as yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gitman
    I replace the two top strings all the time and use plain 13 and 17 strings from D‘Addario, they work just fine.
    Thx gitman, I'm using D'addario 013 and 017 plain right now but the tension and sound is totally unmatched to the Tis for me whereas the TIs were "mellow" the D'ads are not .

    The ones suggested in the post search were Elixir anti rust. Guess I'll try these.

    S

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    String Anti-Rust treatments?

    Fast Fret or just use some Paraffin Wax.



    (I've used baby oil on a micro cloth, as an alternative.)



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    Quote Originally Posted by SOLR
    Elixir anti rust. Guess I'll try these.

    S
    Turns out these are non existant in Canada save for one single 017 in Vancouver , $1.70 + $10 shipping with Canada post (which is on strike) and one 5pack 013 on amazon.ca also using striking Canada Post .So a no go at this point.

    S

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    Quote Originally Posted by gitman
    I replace the two top strings all the time and use plain 13 and 17 strings from D‘Addario, they work just fine.
    I’ve also done this ….
    and sometimes with Ernie Ball plain top
    strings with good results

    I find all plain strings to be
    similar after a week or so ….

    but that’s just me

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    Quote Originally Posted by pingu
    I’ve also done this ….
    and sometimes with Ernie Ball plain top
    strings with good results

    I find all plain strings to be
    similar after a week or so ….

    but that’s just me
    My experience is the same as yours with plain strings.I just buy bulk sets from Musicians Friend for $2.50 for a pack of 12 strings for replacing the b and e string.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SOLR
    Thx gitman, I'm using D'addario 013 and 017 plain right now but the tension and sound is totally unmatched to the Tis for me whereas the TIs were "mellow" the D'ads are not .

    The ones suggested in the post search were Elixir anti rust. Guess I'll try these.

    S
    Ha, I actually LIKE it that way and it’s the reason why I do this: more tension ! I have a pretty solid right hand, a stiff/small pick, med. high action and since I‘m much more comping during a gig than playing single lines that setup suits my playing better. Not so in a Solo or Duo Setting: a different guitar with an accordingly different setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SOLR
    ... Canada post (which is on strike) ... striking Canada Post
    What, still, since I was there in the 70s and 80s?

    I agree with others here, if you prefer the sound of the original trebles you'll just need to order TI replacements for those. There has to be a US seller carrying them and if you order enough the overhead for shipping with a reliable transporter should become acceptable.

    BTW: the brass-plating on TI trebles is a very thin layer on the tin plating. It wears off but the string won't start to rust at once. And on that subject: I've seen rust on decades old trebles. Never had it on my own strings, and I live in a very humid region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gitman
    Ha, I actually LIKE it that way and it’s the reason why I do this: more tension ! I have a pretty solid right hand, a stiff/small pick, med. high action and since I‘m much more comping during a gig than playing single lines that setup suits my playing better. Not so in a Solo or Duo Setting: a different guitar with an accordingly different setup.
    Ha back,

    I use low action, single lines, light to med picks (it depends) .

    S

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    I replace the plain strings with Elixirs. They're my favourite plain steel strings.

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    Just curious,
    Those of you that replace your plain strings, -What's your purpose?

    -Is it because you wear them out, but still got life in the wound strings? (a rational decision.)

    -Is it because you like to personalize your set with custom gauges for the plain strings? (It's plausible this could be a rational decision, question is what you try to accomplish?)

    -Is it because you believe that plain strings of a certain brand got a unique tone? (It's plausible this could be an irrational decision, as virtually all plain strings conform to the same standard. -Did the string manufacturer claim there is something special with their plain strings?)

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    I do it when the plains are worn out …. sometimes get a couple of months more out of the set

    other times I just change the whole set ….
    usually TI jazz swings 13

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    Update, I found a dealer who could order me some "ELIXIR anti rust" singles and ship them to a music store near me. There were a total of 5 single strings in the whole of Canada (3 x .013 and 2 x.016! Estimated stock for other sizes is 60 days) .I took delivery of the 5 available.....

    First impressions:
    They are sweet sounding strings, very mellow, much more than the D'addario plains I was using. Tension seems less than the D'ads also . Note I am now using a 013 E and 016 B which works out fine for now.. They ( subjectively) also seem to have a nicer "finger feel" than the D'addario's singles. They blend quite well with the month old Ti swing JS 112 .

    Happy for now Will have to try them with a new set of Ti JS 112's eventually.....

    Thx to the members that recommended them in the older post (Vinny1K and Max 405)

    S

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    Quote Originally Posted by SOLR
    Update, I found a dealer who could order me some "ELIXIR anti rust" singles and ship them to a music store near me. There were a total of 5 single strings in the whole of Canada (3 x .013 and 2 x.016! Estimated stock for other sizes is 60 days) .I took delivery of the 5 available.....

    First impressions:
    They are sweet sounding strings, very mellow, much more than the D'addario plains I was using. Tension seems less than the D'ads also . Note I am now using a 013 E and 016 B which works out fine for now.. They ( subjectively) also seem to have a nicer "finger feel" than the D'addario's singles. They blend quite well with the month old Ti swing JS 112 .

    Happy for now Will have to try them with a new set of Ti JS 112's eventually.....

    Thx to the members that recommended them in the older post (Vinny1K and Max 405)

    S
    May try just the same thing once my DA strings are worn out