Polytone mini brute II vs Carvin Nomad 112

[Jysus]

Hello, I want to buy an used amp with good jazz sound. Polytone mini brute II or Carvin Nomad 112.
I am grateful for any information
Regards

[Big Ron]

I don't have a "real" jazz amp.

I've got to deal with a Mesa Boogie Express 5:25 and a Fender Super Champ XD. But my L5 sure sounds good running through the Bose L1 Compact as a guitar amp.

Big Ron

[Baltar Hornbeek]

You could try a Maxi Mouse by Lectrosonics.

[jzucker]

i'd be concerned about reliability with the carvin based on my experience

[mr. beaumont]

I certainly wouldn't limit yourself to those two only--they're also apples and oranges--completely different amps--what kind of jazz tone are you looking for? Who are some players that in your opinion, have a great tone?

My amp quest ended when I paired a henriksen head with a redstone speaker cab..there's lots of different ways to get the tone you want--the only thing to do is get out there and play a bunch--but if you can give me an idea of what your ideal tone is, I can at least help steer you a little.

[Timbell]

check ebay for their selection of polytones, some vintage pieces in there that may sound very "authentic." Watch your craigslist daily, people sell some great items for very cheap on craigslist.

[GodinFan]

I've been using a ZT Club quite a lot. My ZT Lunchbox is not bad - and pretty darn good when paired with the extension cab. I keep a Roland Cube at the bar where I run a jam, but I'm finding it a bit brittle.

[Jysus]

hello thanks for all the answers!!
I saw offers in the web but I live in Spain then I need a 220v amp. Its some difficult to find a good used amp with a reasonable price here...

[tele jazz]

have a look at the good old peavey bandit! or there are some good fenders for decent prices.

[jzucker]

if you get a bandit, make sure it's the transtube and that it has the vintage/modern switch in the clean channel and the loose/tight in the master section. These were known as the red stripe and blue stripe versions. The other versions (including the head) were very different and did not sound anywhere near as good for jazz. Also, the speakers are not great in those amps. I replaced mine with a WGS ET65 and it improved the sound greatly

[kawa]

Peavey Envoy 110
Good Jazz Tone, Almost Same To '67 Vibrolux Reverb, Points are the Blue Marvel Speaker Unit and the TransTube Circuits.

Todays Setup for close to '67 Vibrolux Reverb (Jensen C10NS×2), V3, T2, B3.5 (Fender's 1 as Minimum)

Inst : Guitar 67' ES-175DN V8 T10, Strings Gibson SEG 1040ML, Cable Belden 9778 2.5m

Amp: Volume 4, Modern, Low 4, Mid 2～3, Treble o～1, Rev 0～1

Price etc: $ 199.99 and 21 lbs and compact Peavey Envoy 110 Guitar Amplifier - Peavey Envoy - Guitar Amps - Peavey Amps

Buy Peavey Envoy 110 Guitar Amplifier with TransTube Technology | Solid State Combo Amps | Musician's Friend

harmony central reviews, included mine Guitars: Envoy 110 Guitar Amplifier with TransTube Technology by Peavey | Harmony Central

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(from past thread " Best entry - level amp " )

Recomend " Bandit 112 " most long lun, over forty years.

Good for live with 80 watt.

There are no good Jazz Tone Vids.

Please refer by ENVOY.

[jazzkatten]

check out this amp IBANEZ WHOLETONE WT80 - Thomann Cyberstore Sverige

[jzucker]

kawa, i can't agree that the envoy is anything like a vibrolux reverb. Not even close. At best it's a good practice amp. Many of the SS amps (peavey transtube bandit included) sound good in the bedroom but out on a gig they just don't cut it. My 35 watt gries amp smokes the 80 watt peavey bandit on a gig. At home the bandit sounds great for smaller rehearsals and practicing.

[kawa]

Hi jzucker, just my report by footswitch testing system, Emvoy 110 is very fat sounnds and good for jazz, Bluemarvel is good.

Envoy 110 (my review on Harmony Central)

For mini live. Good sound(almost tube sound) 10"40W Compact. Light weight. Continuously (company and model) Cheep cost. Design. Week point:Protect cover is no prepared. (I making cover by peavey shipping box ,down sizing by cutter and fitting,cutout carring handle part)

"Envoy 110 Jazz Tone Test" Ser.G0113936 and G0113942 Refer Amp:'66BFVR(C10NS×2) V2.5 T1(Min) B3.5 Inst:ES175D Result Envoy settinng:Modern mode B3 M2 H0 Very nice fat jazz tone. Blue Marvel is good also TransTube circuit.


Overall Rating:

45 years playing. Just fouded good amp. Other compare my amps:'65 BFTR, Red Knob Twin, Polytone Mini-Brute 2, Peterson P100G-2 Compare speakers:Ri-C10Q,Legend 1058,Alpha 10A,Beta 10A,CTS C10Q.

[jzucker]

harmony central reviews are populated mostly by folks who are trying to sell something. They're meaningless

[kawa]

I bought ENVOY 110 for testing and got the good Jazz Tone.

These are setup of the each amps for same tone by footswitch compairing system.

From the thread "What is your Jazz Setup"

Guitar:Gibson '67 ES-175DN V8 T10


Strngs:Gibson SEG-1040ML


Shield Cable:Belden 9778


"Amps & Settings" Amps were tilted by legs or stand.Sound check point was flont of speaker(Mic set point)


Fender '66 Vibrolux Reverb(Speakers Jensen C10NS):T2 B3.5


Fender Twin Reveb 100W(Speakers:Rola): T1～2.5 M6～8 B1～2 Master Max(Equal to without master)


Fender Twin Reverb '65 Reissue(Speakers: Eminence):T1 M6～8 B3


Peterson P-100G-MkⅡ(Speaker:Eminence ME-10):Gain 1～3( Volume use) L/MIn M1/Min M2/-4 H/-2 Master/Max(Equal to without master)


Polytone MIni-BruteⅡ: Master/Max B/+1 M/+2 T/+1 Gain/2～4(Volume use) Contour/10～11( O'clocK) Program/edge Tone color switch/


Center


Peavey Envoy 110(speaker:Bule Marvel)(Ser.G0113936):Modern mode B3 M2 H0



Important things: Balance for solo tone and backing tone.


LIke to guitar,not like to electric piano.

and I know the super long seller over 40 years famous BANDIT 112.
Barney Kessel and Jim Hall were used on the stage in Tokyo.

I think the current model of BANDIT 112 is very good with enough power and sound.
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(from past thread " Peavey Amps ")

harmony central is one of the good review site.

[jzucker]

and I know the super long seller over 40 years famous BANDIT 112.
Barney Kessel and Jim Hall were used on the stage in Tokyo.

I think the current model of BANDIT 112 is very good with enough power and sound.
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(from past thread " Peavey Amps ")

harmony central is one of the good review site.

kessel and hall were using whatever the "house" provided. I have used a bandit for years. It's a good amp. Nothing like a Vibrolux Reverb though.

Sorry to burst your bubble but harmony-central is well known to be a horrible review site populated mostly by young kids and folks trying to hype equipment that they have forsale.

[mr. beaumont]

I thought harmony central is where follks review stuff right after they bought it when its still the greatest thing in the world.

Not really a fan of peavey ss amps...nothing a henriksen, polytone, or even a roland cube could do at 10 lbs. Less weight...

Btw, I actually prefer to gig ss amps...now I'm playing around with recording a ss and a tube amp and blending the signal...I'm not there yet, but once I get mic placement figured out I have a hunch that's gonna be "the tone" for me.

[NiAg]

>>> harmony central is where follks review stuff right after they bought it when its still the greatest thing in the world.

That is my impression as well. Nice place for an enthusiastic consumer, and maybe not the greatest guide for decisions.

As for general pedantic web-gasbag opinion stated as fact, you can find that everywhere; it seems to be a forum requirement even. In my opinion, Harmony central is no worse than anywhere else in that regard.

[jzucker]

I thought harmony central is where follks review stuff right after they bought it when its still the greatest thing in the world.

Not really a fan of peavey ss amps...nothing a henriksen, polytone, or even a roland cube could do at 10 lbs. Less weight...

Btw, I actually prefer to gig ss amps...now I'm playing around with recording a ss and a tube amp and blending the signal...I'm not there yet, but once I get mic placement figured out I have a hunch that's gonna be "the tone" for me.

that's what benson does. I've done that before and it's the ultimate in tone but these days I don't want to lug all that stuff around.

[mr. beaumont]

I agree totally...just for recording, for me. For gigs, I want one trip from the car!

[woyvel]

Check pawn shops and don't be afraid to check out bass amps. There's another forum thread on using bass amps for jazz, given they are usually very clean. I ended up with a Polytone bass amp that is a perfect fit for me, especially given the price at the pawn shop.

[jzucker]

my favorite jazz amp is my Gries 35. It's basically a vibrolux reverb clone in a 112 configuration. There's *NEVER* a problem except on really loud gigs.

On the other point, I also use a markbass LM II amplifier.

[Greco]

Check pawn shops and don't be afraid to check out bass amps. There's another forum thread on using bass amps for jazz, given they are usually very clean. I ended up with a Polytone bass amp that is a perfect fit for me, especially given the price at the pawn shop.

This might be the thread that is being referred to:
GK MB 200 for jazz guitar use?

Hope it is of interest.

Cheers

Dave

[Jysus]

Has nobody one of this to sell?
Regards