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Hello everybody,
I'm recently exploring the new sounds offered by a telecaster+fender amp+ effects, looking at a Bill Frisell-ish style.
With this in mind I tried to use a Vibrato effect, to obtain a slow (and slight) pitch modulation with clean sounds.
I tried the one on the nova system (TC Electronics), all wet signal, as I don't want a chorus effect mixing also the dry signal, but it has a bit of time lag, bearable but definitely not desirable, probably due to his all digital (AD/DA conversion) nature.
I then went for a BBE Mind Bender, complete analog and true bypass... beautiful sound but noisy (due to his bucket-brigade circuitry)... a bit annoying when playing those long "ambient" chords... if you know what i mean...
Does anyone know if there are other good vibrato pedals that don't have time lag, and without that "hiss"..?
I'm curious about the TC Shaker (toneprint series), but I'd like not going for trial-and-error for too long :-)
thank you in advance
Enrico
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03-27-2012 12:31 PM
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Personally, I would try to develop the proper vibrato technique, be able to move the fingers accordingly while releasing the dumb to get as clean and even vibrato as possible.
This is one thing that I don't rely on effects/pedals/amp settings.
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well, of course you're right. That is the most important thing..., and I use it, both with micro bendings, and pulling the guitar neck, as usually is done (no guitars were harmed in this video).
But I'm not trying to cheat :-)
...exploring that king of sonorities, I find that a bit of overall pitch modulation has its importance, and I'm looking for an FX without the cons I outlined before...
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By this logic you learned to pick better you wouldnt even need an amp...
Originally Posted by NSJ
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It's funny you should mention Bill Frisell, because early on when he was playing an SG and a Klein, he often mentions really bending the necks on these guitars, and that helped to develop part of his signature wavering sound.
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get the EWS modded arion chorus, they change the stock stereo/mono switch into a chrous/vibrato.
they warm it up a bit, and convert it to true bypass.
sounds amazing.....
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thx, I'm having a look right now. Originally Posted by whosgarethparry
Do you use it?
What about the background noise?
Does it "hiss" noticeably or not (compared to other similar pedals..) ?
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String gauge is also an important parameter. Do you know if he uses a light or heavy one? Originally Posted by cosmic gumbo
Is seems to me that the long tones Bill produces are made with light gauges, that are more "responsive" to left hand touch, and to delay/reverb...
Coming from jazz I always preferred thicker gauges (011 or 012) to maintain the string vibration... quite the opposite philosopy :-)
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Some of the most beautiful vibrato playing as ever heard in my entire life was like classical guitarists playing on nylon string guitar. Seriously achingly beautiful, incredible expression and emotion on the instrument.
Wonder what pedal they must have used?
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hehe... I know what you mean, and I agree. It's as hard to obtain on nylon strings, as beautiful is the result... Originally Posted by NSJ
Some of the most beautiful vibrato playing as ever heard in my entire life was like classical guitarists playing on nylon string guitar. Seriously achingly beautiful, incredible expression and emotion on the instrument.
Wonder what pedal they must have used?
But I'd say that what I'm talking here about is a more intense detune effect, more than an expression technique...
Talking about electric guitar i think (of course arguably) that effects and amp are part of the instrument sound, and if chosen knowingly can dramatiacally increase your "color palette"...
Although I agree also that i'ts easy to screw everytingh up equally easily
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Think the OP is talking about the over the top effect, not usual vib, so quit the guitar snobbery guys!!
From what I remember the EWS was pretty quiet. Iguess the noise floor is a subjective subject, and totally personal. I had no problems and used it in the way you want to use it...
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thank you, Originally Posted by whosgarethparry
I dropped a line to EWS, and they promptly answered... but seems that their mod has the wet and dry signal mixed, so the overall result is a chorus sounding tone...
well... no problem... the hunt continues... :-)
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My favorite vibe effect is the Roger Mayer Voodoo Vibe. Yes, it's known for the Univibe sound, but it does the best Vibrato mode I've ever heard. It has three settings, Trem, Chorus (Univibe) and Vibrato, which is what your asking about. Kinda high in price, but just offering an opinion.
Another good Vibrato that I owned was the Diamond Vibrato. It's really warm and musical. I had it for two years before getting the Roger Mayer.
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I owned a voodoo vibe, and that's a good reference for the background noise of the other pedals... incredibly silent! Originally Posted by Melodic Dreamer
But I sold it because of the size, because it's a pity using it as a mere vibrato (it can do A LOT more), and because the modulation signal, especially at low modulation freq., was not symmetrical, more like a "spike" even with symmetry control in the middle (cannot describe better than this, sorry :-) ) so the effect was more like a sequence of short bendings, instead of a long, slow, single continuous bend...
The mind bender is a bit more regular in this aspect... but it's way more noisy...
Actullay I recall now that there are more recent (simpler and compact) models of the voodoo vibe... maybe having a look would be worth it...
Thank you for reminding me...
I'll try to find also some info on the Diamond vibrato
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Originally Posted by e_del
your welcome
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In terms of vibrato the effect, seems to me there are two main variants. On one side, true pitch shift vibrato, ala magnatone. On the other, the more processed, heavier vibrato of univibe and similar models, which to my ears blend vibrato with a certain amount of chorus and/or flange.
I love the heavy vibe tones of Hendrix and the like, but for my own playing, it's that magnatone true pitch shift vibrato which works. Maggies had the effect built in, some in stereo, others in mono. My favorite of all the magnatone amps is the 260, a 35 watt 2x12 amp with truly heavenly vibrato. Short of that, the closest you'll get is the Bigfoot Magnavibe. And it's close. I can recommend this pedal highly.
MD
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I like the vibrato on my Fender DR.
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Cosmic:
The built in effect on your DR is actually tremelo - volume modulation, rather than pitch modulation as found in true vibrato. One of those rare cases where Leo Fender got it wrong, and probably let it stay wrong for marketing purposes.
Tremelo is a cool effect too. I use it more than vibrato.
MD
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