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You're right I'm sure, a closed back does have less speaker excursion though. The D 130 will probably wind up in the V 4 for awhile. Those have that great impedance switch. The Eminence EPS 15C neo is actually used by guys in their Showmans these days for replacement speakers. Surf guitarists can't be wrong... I like it.
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06-29-2017 11:19 AM
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Don't know how I missed this thread the 1st time, but I'm a huge fan of Twins.
I use them on 99% of the gigs I work. I even use them @ home.
Just picked up a pair of blackface Twins from the amp tech this morning, my trusty gigging '66 and an unplayed '67.
Brown and gold foil Jensens in both and new old stock preamp tubes and big bottle STR-387 power tubes.
My 60s L-5's and Super 400's sound unreal through these things.
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Originally Posted by Greentone
When I crewed on a Yes tour many, many years ago, there was this ridiculously heavy small anvil case. Most the cases were color coded, but this one wasn't so I ask what's in it, I was told the backup amps. So I open it up and there is two Twin Reverbs with two orange JBL 12's in each. A Twin with JBL's can be used for a backup for keyboard, bass, guitar, they'll get pretty much anything thru the rest of the night. So it was always unloaded and left sitting on the back of the stage in case needed. That tour I also learned the right way to carry a Twin when not in a anvil case.
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docbop,
Awesome story. Touring for Yes must've been an eye opener and a learning experience. If it was during the Steve Howe years (or even the Trevor Rabin years) you got to see a master guitarist put some guitars through their paces.
I was able to see quite a few Yes concerts back in the period 1973-1979. Later, I saw Yes again in about 1998 or so, when Howe and Rabin were both in the band. My recollection was that Howe used his Gibson ES-345 (the one with the Byrdland tailpiece), his 60s ES-175, and mainly a white Fender Telecaster during the 70s concerts. Funny, but I seem to recall Rabin's guitars (and Squire's basses) better from the 90s concert. IIRC, Howe had a Fender Twin Reverb amp. (In the later 70s concerts I saw, the stage was round and the amp was, IIRC, located _under_ it. I poked around a bit before the show to figure this out. During the round stage period, IIRC, the Fender Twin Reverb was white.)
One thing was sure: Howe could PLAY. Oh, yeah--Anderson, Squire, and Howe could sing pretty well, too. Weird lyrics, though.
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Please share with us the right way to carry a Twin. Enquiring minds (and aching backs) want to know. I could sure use a tip or two. Thanks! Originally Posted by docbop
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I worked the Relayer tour which was in during that time. I don't remember that much about Howe's gear, it was on stage directly behind him on a riser, but had black grill cloth to make it blend into the background. Two amps, combo a Twin or a Super and a large head and cab maybe a Showman both Silverface. His pedals were hidden inside one of the prop blobs on stage. Guitars I mainly remember his 175 because I bought the twin to it for myself when on a run for drum sticks. He was ticked I beat him to it, but he dated it for me, said Joe Pass's was the same year 1961. Howe started talking to me more after that and he even took me with him on a visit that vintage guitar shop in Nashville. Being with Howe got to see stuff in back they normally don't show. One thing about Yes you could practically set your watch based on what was going on onstage. We had a lot of gear, lights, PA, stage props and etc to pack and load so time was critical. Yes' second encore tune was intentionally bad to try and get audience to leave, didn't always work. Howe was cool, we had a night off in Vancouver BC so Howe paid for the whole crew to go see George Benson at a local club. Originally Posted by Greentone
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Originally Posted by citizenk74
Please share with us the right way to carry a Twin. Enquiring minds (and aching backs) want to know. I could sure use a tip or two. Thanks!
today the tech said "I don't know how you can still gig w/these monsters"
my way is to use a collapsible cart and only lift the amp into and out of the trunk.
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you guys ain't done heavy lifting till you moved a fender super twin reverb amp..135 watts...six 6L6 tubes....2 massive ferrite utah speakers...ultralinear design so it stays pristine clean to earpiercing volume levels..and warm toned as can be...
a fave of the pedal steel crowd who want huge no distortion volume..but that takes pedals well
just don't move it!! hah
file next to ampeg svt bass stack..eight 10" speaker cab!!!..like a refrigerator...loaded with bowling balls!! haha
cheers
ps- seem to recall steve howe might have had super twin or super twin reverb at some point..ted nugent had stacks of them..explains everything i suppose..haha
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I've used hand trucks forever. For many years I schlepped a 66lb Peavy Classic 50 upstairs and down, into and out of my Subaru Justy (and later a Sube wagon) along with a half ton or so of other stuff until the PV was replaced by the 50 watt Plexi half-stack and then reactivated when a second Plexi (100 watt) was added and the PV was used as a speaker cab. Dual Marshalls 15' - 20' apart make for a nice stereo image. For the record, stage volume was actually quite low - a Scholz Power soak brought the 50w to civilized levels, and a master volume knob mod gave the bass player a monitor level feed. Looked cool, sounded great, nobody got hurt. Show biz, y' know? Originally Posted by wintermoon
Jazz was a welcome change - amp and guitar on the dolly in one trip.
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Great Yes story, docbop. Thanks for sharing.
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Actually rated at 180W! Originally Posted by neatomic
I reworked my SuperTwin Reverb to a Overdrive Special circuit and perserved the six 6L6 output section. As expected, it now fronts a "JAZZ" switch. I don't have any examples off hand with archtops, but it sounds pretty good with a telecaster doing blues. It is my only amp on wheels.
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I had the Fender Twn with the red knobs and after many years decided to do a shoot out against the Fender Twin RI. There was no comparison, the RI sounded a lot better than my Fender Twin. I tried both Amps with a Strat and Les Paul. I traded my amp on the spot and now many months later I am still in love with my Fender Twin RI.
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The only thing that varies through the years is the position of the speakers: early ones just have the speakers in line side by side next to each other. 1970 might be the first year they placed the speakers in off-set position, more diagonal. Are you going to make it yourself? The baffle that's in there now is not good enough? I mean....it's just a baffle, piece of chipboard with two holes in it. Cover it with period correct speaker cloth and it will be functional and look right. As long as you got the outer dimensions right and you can just measure those from the amp itself. I wouldn't worry too much about exact original dimensions. Just make sure the speakers won't touch the chassis or the transformers. Originally Posted by dsego
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If anybody converts to a 15 drop the speaker you want to use onto the old baffle to mark out the fit before making the new one. This mod is a bit of a shoe horn fit because of the transformers. The 15 gets offset to behind the normal channel controls for clearance. This has the added benefit of helping to counterbalance the weight of the output transformer that usually tilts the amp when you pick it up by the handle.
Loaded with 2 JBL E120 12s my Twin which is a later linear silverface weighed a pound for every watt, 135. I ran those for a good 10 years. The lifting rules of lift with your legs not your back should apply in that weight range. The handle is a bad idea as it puts a offset pull on your spine. What I do for solo long carries, stairs etc.... is kneel, walk the amp up my legs and hold close with both hands from the belt line up. Then raise one leg and stand up and go dancing. It really isn't bad. Now that it is in the Svelt 60 pound range more options are available. Obviously having one in each hand balances the weights so go stereo!
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very good info cavalier^...changing to a different sized speaker does not only involve whether the size of the baffle and cab can accomodate it, but also if and how it will fit with the chasis in the cab..very important to determine before you start modding Originally Posted by Cavalier
cheers
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I believe these guy sell the baffle if you just want to buy one.
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Fender Twin 65 RI: This is a wonderful clean sound amp with lots of headroom, it looks great, has the tilt option, a wonderful tremolo, reverb, and can be loud while still being clean. 4 6L6 tubes in this unit which help provide that classic tone. Though the amp is heavy, it’s not any heavier than most two 12” speaker amps, or even the heavier Mesa Boogie Mark V combo with one 12” speaker. Granted you may want to add wheels to it or use a cart to move it if you are doing gigs. It has that wonderful chime, a sparkled sound that sounds amazing with any guitar I tried it on. Outputs 2 are quieter than output 1. The sound of the amp can sound a little more forward sounding with the tremolo off. Turn it on with the intensity on 0 and it will smooth out the sound a little more. This amp takes pedals very well from a Valvetronix pedal board, to a Mesa Boogie Flux Drive. No other amp on the market has the character of this amp. So if you want the Fender tube sound, this is the amp to get. I replaced my Fender Twin (red knobs) with this amp, and the clarity and sparkle on the RI was a big step up.
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random response jonathan -
i've had the rivera suprema with a 15'' speaker
the evans is just way better in my view (i have an re 150) - it has the sparkle and hyper-clarity and you can merge into that sound as much thick middle as you want. i've had it a few years now and i still can't believe how good it is.
just saying...(partly because i think you have an evans...)
Originally Posted by Jonathan0996
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I picked up an '88ish Red Knob Twin last year. It was always a dream amp for me. It needed a cap job and a few jacks replaced but it's amazing. Massive cleans and super-deep lush reverb. If you plug a strat in it's intant Knopfler, Cray or BB King but you can get really warm mellow tones with an archtop as there are plenty of EQ possibilities. The volume on tap seems almost limitless. I don't mind the OD channel either -- sort of pulls a Tubescreamer type sound but it doesn't beat my Mesa in this department. The FX loop is one the best I've used. These amps are generally maligned but I love mine.
Last edited by wildschwein; 07-10-2017 at 09:13 PM.
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red twins are real bone of contention among fender amp guys..some despise 'em, some love'm...
they were a fender guitar company update...memo- we gotta keep up with mesa boogie!!!
i've heard some great tones come out of them..(jim thomas of the mermen!!)... but ultimately prefer the simpler older brown/black and even silver era
cheers
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Patrick STILL makes me smile :-) Originally Posted by Patrick2
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when you're right, you're right!!! Originally Posted by GNAPPI
Originally Posted by Patrick2
LOLOLOL . . . . . EVERYTHING . . . sounds better out of a Fender Twin Reverb.
Patrick STILL makes me smile :-)
cheers
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Originally Posted by neatomic
Originally Posted by neatomic
I love the older Twins too but I decided not to get one as they are less flexible and I have always needed an FX loop for my playing. They lack the trem circuit but the Red Knobs can get pretty close in terms of sound and feel and also have more midrange tweaking options. There's also the option of switching to 25w (which is still crazy loud). I just prefer some evolutionary updates in my amps for what I do. The old Silver and Blackfaces will always be classic amps.
This is a good representation of what they sound like (at least for bluesy stuff):
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Opt for the 80s era concert amp for that twin sound a modern effects loop point to point wiring they still pop up for 600 from time to time
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The 80s Concert Amp (a Rivera design) is a good amp. Played them when they came out and I thought "alright, Fender has found its way back home." The reverb, in particular, was exactly right. Tone stack on Channel Two was spot on. But, wait! No Tremelo/Vibrato...whatever Fender wants to call it. Oh, yeah...the single 12" speaker sounded great. Overall: a very, very good Fender amp.
The Twin Reverb is still a bigger sounding amp, even at reduced volumes. Everybody had one for a reason--it's an iconic amplifier. Nobody _ever_ sounded bad through a TR (but a bad player).
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