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I've been looking at this new model and I really like some things about it.
Pro
1. It has P94's which I like and they can readily be swapped out for another HB.
2. I always liked the Firebird / Hockey stick / Fender design better. But... the high E and B strings need to be rather long.
3. It appears to be the thickness of an ES-137 I like it... (See #3 below)
4. Fully Hollow body (New news)
Con:
1 $700 EXTRA for the amber finish, $2600 vs. the $1900 for the trans Ebony (I'd get Ebony anyway)
2. BIGSBY? Maybe for some this is a pro, but not me. I'd disable it.
3. It appears to be the thickness of an ES-137
What do you folks think? Will this one be a winner and buy now "or" wait till they hit the clearance sections of Sam Ash and Guitar Center at 40% more off after they're discontinued. :-)
Me I think they'll be discontinued like the excellent Midtown and Vegas series, I'll buy a trans black then!Last edited by GNAPPI; 03-24-2013 at 08:18 PM.
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03-24-2013 07:43 PM
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I like it.
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Definitely not my taste. Looks like it can't make up its mind if it should be a Gibson or a Fender. But, when it comet to anything representing a deviation from the norm . . . or from tradition, my opinion is way too biased and therefor valuless.
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for a start forget how it looks ... how does it sound???
and if you have love for it ...... then forget other opinions and buy it .....
but if it were me at that price i personally would buy or put that money towards a more traditional gibson in the ES range ... but hey it's your choice .....
i agree with patrick tho ...it's part fender ,part gibson and to me part gretch ... but hey if you love that about it go for it...i tend to find we guitarists and especially us jazz guitarists are such "traditional" creature and fight new design and change ....
but play it ...who knows it could be the "holy grail" for youLast edited by Keira Witherkay; 03-24-2013 at 11:11 PM.
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Cool, a thinline ES-175 once again - I always wondered why Gibson stopped making the ES-175T.
This time it comes with a Trini neck, Bigsby and easily-swappable pickups.
The Bigsby is easily swapped out for a conventional trapeze taipliece.
Totally in the Gibson tradition, drawing on Gibson designs of the 1940s and the 1960s.
My only gripe is that it doesn't come with a big fat neck.
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I also like the fact that it has what look like P94 pickups in it (P90's in a Humbucker shape)......and the body shape is just killer. Well it's a 175 outline that's why I like it. The headstock I can get used to because as Hammertone mentioned it's already been in my Psyche for years.
I'd actually try that Bigsby. If set up correctly you can do that nice gentle vibrato thing on the big chords for more modern stuff.
But if it messes with the tension or feel you can rip it right off.
I reckon it would be a good loud gig work horse.
I notice that Jesse Van Ruller has just replaced his stock pups with P94's.
I'm about to put one in my Wesmo.......forgive me Patrick!!!!
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I can't deal with that headstock on a hollow body. Just my thought - if I were gonna get a Bigsby hollowbody for rockabilly or somesuch I would get a cheaper Epiphone Wildkat or Gretsch. They have the proper vibe nailed, whereas to me this looks like a stretch...
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Getting a bit GASsed up on this.
Here's an ES-195 next to an ES-175 with similar hardware, courtesy of the Zoo.
The thinline is almost 1/2 the price.
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Yeah, try and find one. Sweetwater has two but they are sending them back to Gibson with some "quality" issues" I'm going to get one, it's just a question when.
Thx for the pic Hammertone.
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I think it looks cool, particularly in black. I wouldn't buy one because of the Bigsby and who builds it.
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Last I checked, the black one in the photo I posted above is in stock at the Music Zoo.
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Wow, with a normal 'moustache/open book' headstock and without the bigsby I would be very interested....
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Generally my sentiments also, but I'd add to that a translucent black is not anywhere near the top of the list in color selection.
Originally Posted by Little Jay
Then a few years ago I bought a trans black set neck Fender JA-90 thinline and I like it a lot. I also have two other Gibsons with that head and I found that after owning them I actually like it.
I remember a line I read about Genghis Khan who was supposedly tolerant of all religions, when asked why he said he didn't want to offend the REAL God because of ignorance of Him.
Maybe I'm wishy washy on preferences but like GK I don't want to miss something good because of my ignorance or bias :-)
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Well I found one and it came in yesterday. It's quite a unique guitar. It was setup well from Gibson, that was a surprise. It plays like a 175 but feels in your hands while standing more like a 137 since it's thinner than the 175.
Gibson did good with the HB sized single coils which are stronger / louder than the 175 and 330 that I have. They sound somewhere between a HB and P90, very good.
The Bigsby is the first non strat tremolo that I've ever had, and the few whacks I gave it stayed in tune, but I'll probably put a 175 type tailpiece on it sometime in the future.
Anyone who likes Gibson archtops should like this guitar.
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Hi, I played one of these today...and wrote a glowing review...then it got erased before it was posted.
this guitar played very nicely, sounded great acoustically, was balanced and evenly voiced!
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http://www.sadowsky.com/stock/stock_...11_full_lg.jpg Originally Posted by GNAPPI
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Exactly. Originally Posted by Little Jay
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D'AngelicobVestax Originally Posted by Woody Sound
Last edited by mangotango; 06-17-2013 at 09:21 AM. Reason: pasting those pesky links, dagnabbit!
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D'Angelico NYS 2 New Yorker Excellent | eBay Originally Posted by mangotango
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Can anyone who actually played one please confirm this? I've checked the Gibson site and it indeed says it's a full hollow. Some dealers sites say it's a semi. Originally Posted by GNAPPI
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sad to notice that generalist guitar dealers often confuse semi with thinline !
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Seemed hollow to me while I was playing it
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Mine is Fully hollow, so I'd say it's confirmed :-) Originally Posted by Drifter
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Thanks! Suddenly this guitar becomes more interesting.
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According to the Gibson rep that I know, the 195 is actually more of a replacement for a 125, than a baby 175. I own a 195 and have previously had an ES125 TDC and agree that the 195 is a more refined (construction and fittings) better sounding (better pickups) 125 replacement.
Having that expectation, it plays and sounds better than I expected it to and gets positive comments from guitar players in the audience after almost every performance. It is fully hollow and therefore somewhat prone to feedback, but it's not impossible to manage. My old ES125 had the same issue. I play blues and jazz and the 195 is suitable for both. Mine is amber and people comment on the appearance every night. I have had no quality issues or complaints so far.
I also play an ES137CU and ES345 and they are both somewhat superior in construction and appointments, but they cost a lot more. I also have a Trini and I like the six on one side headstock on both guitars. I like the lighter weight of the ES195 over all of my semi-hollows and in low volume situations, I prefer the ES195 for tone. IF I ever were to play loud again (unlikely) I would leave it home and take the ES137, same general feel with less feedback.
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