line 6 (and other modeling) for Jazz?

**metalshred** · 05-18-2014, 01:58 PM

Do you guys thing that a line 6 and other modeling Software, Amps, Effects will get into jazz and are you into it?
On my side I am about to buy a Pod hd Board because it is way cheaper than the effectboard I want and i can record on a cheap base.

**Jim Soloway** · 05-18-2014, 02:21 PM

I've been using Line 6 HD products for several years. You have to be willing to put some effort into configuring and managing them but they are very useful. These days I use them only for recording (and not all of that) but for about three or four years my main rig was based on a Pod HD and a variety of speaker cabs and it was a really good sounding set up. I also did all of my recording with the Pod for several year including all the tracks on my album. It may not be perfect but the results were better that I was able to get without spending a lot more money than I had.

**nosoyninja** · 05-18-2014, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by Jim Soloway

I've been using Line 6 HD products for several years. You have to be willing to put some effort into configuring and managing them but they are very useful. These days I use them only for recording (and not all of that) but for about three or four years my main rig was based on a Pod HD and a variety of speaker cabs and it was a really good sounding set up. I also did all of my recording with the Pod for several year including all the tracks on my album. It may not be perfect but the results were better that I was able to get without spending a lot more money than I had.

I've been meaning to ask you Jim. I remember you mentioned at some point using a small hifi type power amp with your modeling rig. Can you talk a bit about it? Or maybe if you can recall, share a link to a post where you discussed it in more detail that I may have missed.

Recent talk about the quilter toneblock or Carvin bass amp heads as clean platforms or handy backups got me to thinking about this option.

Anyway. I also use a POD, the now discontinued X3 pro. It's really handy to have everything going on in a single box, if you aren't afraid of diving in and figuring it all out. It sounds great for Jazz guitar. It sounds great for anything really. I even used it for years with my pedal steel guitar on all sorts of gigs and no one noticed I wasn't using a "real" amp. The form factor may be an issue now that the traditional kidney shape has been discontinued.

EDIT: I forgot to mention. It's not the only thing I have. I also have other "real" amps, tube and SS, and really now days only use the POD sparingly.

Sorry to hijack the thread!

K

**Jim Soloway** · 05-18-2014, 07:42 PM

Here you go

Dayton Audio DTA-100a Class-T Digital Amplifier 50 WPC Provides Power To Computer Speakers, Bookshelf Speakers, Headphones, And More! 300-383

They also have a newer version with a bit more power and apparently it's bridgeable which the previous version wasn't

http://www.parts-express.com/dayton-...3800_E_F50-100

**vinlander** · 05-18-2014, 09:10 PM

Modelling stuff is great if you patience and want to spend hours dialing parameters to get the tone you want.
Most of these unit comes with sucking default parameters and patches and you will need to either download custom made ones or spend the time needed to get where you want...
I had Pod 2.0, PODXT and POD X3 live and they were incredible machine with lot of potential, but I sold them all as I realized less was more in my case...that is why I now play a Roland Cube!
I also spent a bit of time with computer based amp simulator like Amplitube and Revalver and some other open source stuff and it can really kick some serious ass; but again you can play with so much stuff like loaders, impulses and tweaks and you can end up spending more time tweaking than playing...
I personally hate it (even if I am working in IT so should be savvy but still)...
When it comes to music I want to plug and play, not tweak

**Broyale** · 05-18-2014, 11:30 PM

Tried 'em, hated 'em.

**jzucker** · 05-19-2014, 01:05 PM

They're already "into" jazz. Metheny uses an Axefx now. So does rosenwinkel along with a kemper (he uses both the axefx for effects and the kemper for amps)

They still don't sound like a great tube amp to me. At least not for clean tones.

**Michael Kaye** · 05-19-2014, 02:37 PM

Shhhh....I don't want to wake up the purists....

. But I love my line 6 stuff. I have one gig with a decent house PA. I bring my guitar and my HD500X. I'm set up in 5 mins and it takes me 10 minutes to EQ the room and I'm good to go. I get VERY acceptable tones (and lots of positive comments). When I need more than that I bring a QSC K10 (or two ) and again. Simple set up and great tone.

I have however spent HOURS dialing in the patches, most of them based off a simple Fender model. If you are so inclined it is truly worth it, in my opinion.

**jzucker** · 05-19-2014, 02:53 PM

depends how picky you are really. You can certainly get acceptable tones out of the digitech, boss, line6 and more expensive systems. Random folks saying it works for them does little to further the cause IMO.

A friend of mine gigs regularly on his axefx and I recently did a gig with him and it sounded great. However, when he sets it up for a fender tone, IMO, it's not close. My tube preamp going into a class D power amp and open back cab is much closer.

And the axefx is head and shoulders better than the cheap to intermediate modelers...

**Pat Clare** · 05-19-2014, 03:24 PM

Has anyone ever worked with an Eleven Rack?

**jzucker** · 05-19-2014, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Pat Clare

Has anyone ever worked with an Eleven Rack?

i have. I thought it was pretty weak for the price. A little better than a pod.

**Pat Clare** · 05-19-2014, 03:51 PM

I have one that came with my pro tools. I wasn't too happy with it, I thought it was just me. Thanks for the info.

**Jim Soloway** · 05-19-2014, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Pat Clare

I have one that came with my pro tools. I wasn't too happy with it, I thought it was just me. Thanks for the info.

I had one for a while and it was a mixed experience. I thought the sounds were quite good but I absolutely hated the interface and dealing with support was one of the however many levels of hell. This is the one short demo that I did with it. You can judge the quality for yourself.

**metalshred** · 05-20-2014, 10:25 AM

Okay that someone else here use Line 6 is nice.
Well for me first (because of the influence of my old guitar teacher ) i hated line 6. But later i heared the sound that it can produce
Btw. can we open (another) Thread with our tone?

**Michael Kaye** · 05-20-2014, 11:01 AM

Line 6 has a user friendly forum for discussing tones and patches.

I think you will have better luck over there I'm sorry to say.

**nosoyninja** · 05-20-2014, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by jzucker

depends how picky you are really. You can certainly get acceptable tones out of the digitech, boss, line6 and more expensive systems. Random folks saying it works for them does little to further the cause IMO.

I would like to respectfully point out that the same applies for "random" folks saying it doesn't work for them either... I think we can agree, though, that modeling is a useful tool at our disposal. Specially for people starting out who have no idea what type of sound they like. You can have access to all of the amps you could possibly need to get started, and have at least a vague idea of what differentiates one from the other.

K

**kamlapati** · 05-20-2014, 04:42 PM

Question for you modeller users: can I set up multiple parametric EQs? Can I replace the standard Fender amp EQ with another style EQ? Can I customize the EQ shelves, center points, etc.?

**nosoyninja** · 05-20-2014, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by kamlapati

Question for you modeller users: can I set up multiple parametric EQs? Can I replace the standard Fender amp EQ with another style EQ? Can I customize the EQ shelves, center points, etc.?

Usually the EQ parameters correspond to the amp being modeled and can not be switched. But you can add additional EQ modules as FX, either parametric or graphic, depending on the brand of modeler, and they can be saved as part of your preset.

K

**Jim Soloway** · 05-20-2014, 05:28 PM

To add to the previous post, in the Pod HD line, there is also deep editing functions that add further EQ capabilities to both the amp and cab sims. You can also control the mix EQ through the mix of amps with alternative cabs as all as through the virtual mic selection.

**jorgemg1984** · 05-20-2014, 07:30 PM

On the g3 you have the amps tone controls and several eq types, the best one being a 2-band parametric eq. With an electric guitar and a twin reverb emulation I don't need more than that.

**Michael Kaye** · 05-20-2014, 07:36 PM

One of the truly unique functions that adds a level tonal complexity as well is the "dual" amp mixing capabilities. You can set up an independent chain and mix them just as if you were playing through two amps.

These recent modelers are a generation ahead of their one dimensional counterparts even 5 years ago. The technology is really coming of age.

**kamlapati** · 05-20-2014, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Jim Soloway

To add to the previous post, in the Pod HD line, there is also deep editing functions that add further EQ capabilities to both the amp and cab sims. You can also control the mix EQ through the mix of amps with alternative cabs as all as through the virtual mic selection.

Is the deep editing done via the front panel of via USB / PC / Mac only?

**nosoyninja** · 05-20-2014, 07:59 PM

Sorry. Re-read the previous post and I don't know the specific answer in the case of the pod HD line.

**Michael Kaye** · 05-20-2014, 08:10 PM

In HD line deep editing done by computer only

**Space Pickle** · 05-20-2014, 08:25 PM

I have the rackmount POD HD, but it's going back to the store tomorrow. The thing is *garbage*...it sounds terrible. I wanted it for basement recording but I've since moved on to explore other options.

Your mileage may vary.