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Funny enough, the AF problem is too much compression and sag, not the opposite!
Originally Posted by neatomic
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10-29-2017 06:04 PM
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well i didn't mean compression where it flattens the signal..i meant old style tube amp like compression...its musical, not flattening
heavy compression works with distortion..but for clean tones you want a wide db range, with just a bit of compression to emulate a tube..not a massive volume leveller with no peaks and valleys
cheers
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lol, that's not exactly what I said or meant. The *AMPLIFIRE* doesn't have a good fender clean to me but the kemper and axefx have beautiful fender cleans and sound wonderful with a tele, strat, les paul and archtop. The problem with the amplifier is not the hardware, it's the software. The amplifier uses a similar design to the kemper and actually has much more processing power but unlike the kemper, you cannot download amp models to it so you're limited to what they have sampled and as I've outlined in other articles, they have not sampled a great fender clean tone. When/if they do they will have a winner on their hands. I often find though, that the folks who run the various companies sometimes get in their own way and do not accept criticism and since the majority of folks buying these devices are hardcore/djent players, the feedback doesn't help cats who are looking for steller fender cleans...
Originally Posted by neatomic
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yes..sorry..came in late!!!
but was speaking in general terms..not/and esp high end specifics..but even through the budget modelling amps
always have better distorted tones than wide open clean tones
those warm fender buttery clean tones...and the wide parameters the original amps had...are tough to duplicate
cheers
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Agreed but I think the axefx and kemper have it to around 90% which is good enough for me.
Originally Posted by neatomic
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The clip of Lullaby of the Leaves sounds really convincing. But can it produce that tone in a live gig setting. say directly into a p/a. monitor? Thanks!
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you have a link? Originally Posted by jads57
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It's posted in one of the earlier posts Jack. But I like how your 77 Hawk clip sounds almost like it breaks up slightly in a good way, when you dig in. Are you pushing the preamp gain or adding overdrive?
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That was my clip actually. The settings are listed earlier in the thread - it's pretty clean throughout. I use the Amplifire most of the time live (sometimes a Kemper), through an Alto or QSC, and sometimes into a p.a as well if it's there. The final sound will of course depend partly on the quality of the FRFR, but I've always found these choices are fine. In practice, an even bigger factor is the room acoustics. Most of the pubs/restaurants/halls I play in would make even a nice vintage Fender sound crap, so what's the point of worrying about that last 5-10% of authenticity. Another big factor is getting the speaker up on a pole, which really boosts the sound projection and definition. Not always possible in smaller spaces, but much better than on the floor or a chair. The FRFR speakers are designed to be set up with isolation, not coupled to a boomy floor or on a mushy soft chair. Originally Posted by jads57
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Just to clarify - the point of the modellers in general, for me anyway, is not to try and recreate an indistinguishable digital copy of a specific actual analogue amp tone, but to create a sound that works really well for my needs. That sound might serendipitously end up being close to some revered tone from the past, but it could equally not be that close and still fit the bill. The term 'modelling' has sometimes perjorative overtones of having a sole purpose of slavish copying, but it can also mean to fashion something new with the available tools.
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I am pushing the virtual preamp slightly. I have experimented with pushing it even more ala early benson but it doesn't seem to fit my style so much so I have not done more with it. I also agree that the point isn't to sound exactly like a specific amp as much as it is to get a great sound that is inspirational to play with. And that varies according to the individual. Some folks like Mark Kleinhaut sound great with an acoustic image amp and extremely flat tone. That's his sound and he always sounds amazing with it. His philosophy is that the amp should add zero character to the sound. It should just sound like the guitar. Originally Posted by jads57
I like the amp to add some personality so that there is a chain of sound between me, my guitar and the amp.
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