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10-30-2018 09:12 PM
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I'm sure it will be priced at a point accessible to Mr. Page's fans (NOT!)but will it sound better than the ones I build for $400? Probably not enough to justify the price difference. Not for me - I'm not even sure who he is other than he's some rocker who I never listened to. Not being mean but there are some (like me) who never ventured into that arena and don't have any appreciation for that style music. I'm sure he has fans who'll appreciate this copy and pay big $$$ for it and I hope they enjoy it.
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Back when I was 18, any band that played Willie Dixon covers was good with me. I'd seen Willie live numerous times, king of the Chicago blues songwriters.
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From the days of my youth...
Good times, bad times, you know I've had my share...
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You really don’t know who Jimmy Page is? He was a HIGHLY influential guitar player. Along with Jimmy Hendrix and Eric Clapton, his playing is probably the most emulated, if not downright copied, playing of any guitarist. That is not a value judgement on the quality of his musicianship, just a testament to some musical vein he tapped. I guarantee the number of young players who took up guitar because of him out numbers those inspired by Wes, Charlie Christian, and Freddie Green combined. Again, not a statement about who is the “better” player.
Originally Posted by Skip Ellis
In fact, the wild popularity of the Gibson Les Paul is often credited to the fact that he used it as his touring instrument. Gibson may not have survived the eighties without his impact.
I don’t listen to or emulate his playing, but he’s no fly-by-night, one-hit-wonder, forgettable no talent hack.
As far as what Fender does with that...
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This past weekend dusted some old pieces of equipment. Plugged my 40 years old Koss headphones into one same age Fisher amp, and played an old original Willie Dixon vynil through a period correct Thorens belt turntable with Shure type IV cartridge. Then switched the signal to a pair of JBL 4315b studio monitors. All still sounding great. Back in the days copping Wille Dixon lines helped me to learn bass. As to tele players, Cornell Dupree was then high on my list.
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That comment elevates your position as resident forum curmudgeon to a new level! Originally Posted by Skip Ellis
I mean, Jimmy Page is one of the absolute giants of rock music, not subject in any way to debate. Whether you appreciate that music or not, it's pretty baffling not to know of him. I despise rap music but I know about Run DMC. Don't enjoy atonal classical but I'm aware of Schoenberg and have explored some of that in order to inform my opinions. No need to be dismissive, especially about a living legend.
Anyway, the Fender tribute model, like any of its kind, will be over-priced and over-hyped, but it's certainly being issued for a worthy player.
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Jimmy was also a studio musician for quite a stretch. He is on tons of recordings including the theme song from the movie Goldfinger of all things. He can sight read probably as well as anyone here on this forum.
I'll pass on the Tele, but he is a pretty key musician of the last 100 years a true "riff meister!"
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Looks like they're doing two custom shop models (maybe limited to one piece each?) that probably will need you to re-morgage your house. One dragon and one mirror tele. Originally Posted by rpguitar
But apparently they're also doing productions-models of those. No idea if they're going to be lower budget like the Brad Paisley mim tele, on par with the standard like the Edge strat or higher end production models like the Eric Johnson strat?
I wouldn't mind a nice top-loader tele (in other words buying the blonde mirror version and then removing said mirrors)
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Quite the coup! Someone at Fender's got juice running down his leg.
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Page did play lead on numerous songs as a session guitarist, but I believe it was Vic Flick who played the Goldfinger theme, with Page playing acoustic backing on the instrumental version of the song.
I have been listening to Led Zeppelin since the mid-70s, but after all these years I am still not sure about Page's abilities as a guitarist. He does not go far beyond A Minor Pentatonic. What did he do that changed rock music?
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I don't think we need to go much farther, you and half the planet. He was a primary contributor to a body of work that has been proven with the test of time and become "classic." His guitar playing likely gets more air time than anyone else. He excelled at feel over technique. This is one of those the "result speaks for itself" moments. Originally Posted by Litterick
What part he played on Goldfinger is irrelevant, he played the session and tons of others, which is significant in it's own right.
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No, it is not irrelevant. Vic Flick played the lead. He was a great session guitarist, who is overlooked because he did not become a rock star. Page did well as a session player because he was young and could play what was wanted, such as his solo on Tom Jones's It's not Unusual. Originally Posted by Ken Olmstead
I am not convinced that Page is a particularly good guitarist. He never changes. Much of Led Zeppelin's music is copied from old bluesmen or from contemporaries. He does not stand up to comparison with Jeff Beck, a guitarist who has constantly explored new directions in his music, and continues to innovate. Page has done nothing memorable since 1980.
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We will have to agree to disagree and leave her at that. Originally Posted by Litterick
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the master speaks
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no animosity!
from- New Interview With Vic Flick on Working with Jimmy in Studio Session Days - News - Led Zeppelin Official Forum
Recently, I did an interview with 1960's guitar session player Vic Flick about a whole range of topics, James Bond, George Martin, Big Jim Sullivan etc. but my biggest area of emphasis was on his work in the studios with Jimmy Page in the 1960s. Great read, enjoy!
http://findingzoso.b...-interview.html
Excerpt
FZ: You mentioned you worked alongside Jimmy Page in that era, what was Jimmy like at that time, what was he like as a guitarist?
VF: I mean he was a nice guy. He was really sort of shy and a reticent sort of fellow who played good guitar when he knew what he had to play if you know what I mean. He used to get booked in on sessions and he couldn’t read [music] to save his life, but he had a very very quick ear, very quick music ear and very talented on the guitar. Many times we’d be sitting together in the studio and he’d get something written that he had to play and he’d say, ‘Hey Vic, what’s this? What’s this sound like?’ And I’d play it for him a couple of times and he got it. As long as I sort of gave him a little kick when he had to play he was okay [laughs]. Mostly he was booked for his little riffs and solos and stuff.
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Michael Bloomfield and Jeff Beck were far more influential than Page, the Les Paul took off because of Beck, not Page. Emulating Wes, Charlie or Freddie takes dedication and talent, emulating Page takes a couple of hours. Originally Posted by rlrhett
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no Originally Posted by ronjazz
the les paul in usa was bloomfield...john sebastian of lovin spoonful had one, but
the les paul in uk was clapton beano lp with mayall...he was goin after freddie king!!!
beck was using the tele he bought off the walker brother for the yardbirds, when ec was playin otis rush with les paul thru marshall on beano!!
i get people don't like the commercialism of clapton..but he was first!!! beck and page wanted to be him!!
not to say they didn't eventually equal or outdo..that's your call...but he was the early killer
peter green with lp was next killer..ec's successor
and in usa duane allman...lp... heard bloomfield..and jesse ed davis slide...
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I'm sorry, I'm not now nor have I ever been a fan of rock music since the early 60's. My heroes were James Burton, Chet Atkins, Merle Travis, Johnny Smith, Wes Montgomery, Kenny Burrell, Doc Watson, Mississippi John Hurt, Herb Ellis, and many others. I simply have no interest in rock music and have always turned off anything that came on the radio with distorted guitar - I simply can't stand it. I've heard the names of many of the rock players that you mention but am not familiar with their playing because I'm just not interested in that type music. They may be wonderful players to those who enjoy that type thing but I'm just not a part of that group and I see no reason to listen to something/somebody I don't enjoy. Also, the rampant drug use by a large number of the musicians of that era was a total turn off for me. I was not being dismissive, just stating that I was unfamiliar with Mr. Page's work. To me, in my limited corner of the world, all those rock players of the late 60's and into the 70's that all the younger generations idolize are, basically, non entities to me. I've managed to work steadily for most of 40+ years without hearing them so It's worked out for me. YMMV. Originally Posted by rpguitar
That comment elevates your position as resident forum curmudgeon to a new level!
I mean, Jimmy Page is one of the absolute giants of rock music, not subject in any way to debate. Whether you appreciate that music or not, it's pretty baffling not to know of him. I despise rap music but I know about Run DMC. Don't enjoy atonal classical but I'm aware of Schoenberg and have explored some of that in order to inform my opinions. No need to be dismissive, especially about a living legend.
Anyway, the Fender tribute model, like any of its kind, will be over-priced and over-hyped, but it's certainly being issued for a worthy player.
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no need to apologize se..to each his own...thankfully..but why not tell us more about what you like, rather than being dismissive...i love james burton!!!...phew!.. i've studied him...all time fave category.....would love to hear your thoughts on him..beloved john hurt!!!..whew...this is precious knowledge!!!
talk about it!!
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Just listed some of the many guitarists that I like - I'm not an analyzer - I like a player and incorporate some of his style into mine....end of story. I don't copy others and have rarely copied anything off a record unless it was a very indentifiable hook in a tune. I'm lucky that I can play in a particular style without copying an artist and I rarely play anything the same way twice. I've never been able to understand people who spend a lot of time transcribing a note for note solo off a record - I guarantee that the player on the record never played it that way again. I value my time too much to do that. If you spend a lot of time playing like somebody else, who's going to play like you? Originally Posted by neatomic
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Ok. But if true, why even comment on a player you know nothing about? It’s like being the first to post on a thread about a new Shelby Mustang just to say you know nothing of Carroll Shelby or Ford, and only ride Triumph motorcycles. What’s the point? Originally Posted by Skip Ellis
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Now this thread is going somewhere! I love all of these references Originally Posted by rlrhett
To be a guitar player and not understand Jimmy Page's impact is hard for me to comprehend. You don't have to like the guy or his music, but it is hard to deny his impact on the guitar world. The only explanation that comes across is someone trying to be too hip to admit the guy's impact. I adore Jeff Beck and Kenny Burrell, but the average person has no f'n idea who they are. But Jimmy Page? Big difference.
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In my world, he and most other rock players had NO impact on me because I have neither listened to or played any rock music (with rare exceptions) that was produced after about the mid 60's. I've said before that I don't listen to music at all unless I'm learning a tune and I'm at a point in my life where I don't have an interest in learning anything I don't like unless it's for a paying gig. So please don't vilify me because I don't appreciate the same things you do. While I have, indeed, heard of Mr. Page, Jeff Beck, Jimi Hendrix and others mentioned, I don't have any desire to become familiar with them as I just don't enjoy their type of music for various reasons of my own. In my original post, I did not denigrate anyone's playing, I merely stated that he had fans who would probably pay a high price for a copy of his guitar and that he was just someone whose music I was not familiar with. I didn't mean to hassle anybody, I was mostly commenting on Fender's building a tribute/copy guitar that will be out of the financial reach of the average player but will most likely not sound all that much different than any other Tele out there. It's just a marketing coup by Fender to get into the pockets of Mr. Page's fan base. Originally Posted by Ken Olmstead
Now this thread is going somewhere! I love all of these references
To be a guitar player and not understand Jimmy Page's impact is hard for me to comprehend. You don't have to like the guy or his music, but it is hard to deny his impact on the guitar world. The only explanation that comes across is someone trying to be too hip to admit the guy's impact. I adore Jeff Beck and Kenny Burrell, but the average person has no f'n idea who they are. But Jimmy Page? Big difference.
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Raney and Abersold, great interview.
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