View Poll Results: How do you feel about modelers?
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I own a modeler, and it is my main rig
69 29.74% -
I own a modeler, which is not my main rig
50 21.55% -
I have tried a modeler and liked it
20 8.62% -
I have tried a modeler and did not like it
40 17.24% -
I have not tried a modeler, but I am interested
24 10.34% -
I have not tried a modeler, and am not interested
29 12.50%
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I have a Fractal Profiler and love it for gigs, especially smaller gigs where I don’t want to cart in my Vibrolux tube amp. Very flexible tones with the Fractal.
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03-03-2020 05:10 AM
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I’ve tried several, the best of which are the Eleven Rack and the UAD stuff.
For myself, the feel isn’t the same.
Ftr, I like tube amps and SS amps. Once the sound goes to zeros and ones, it changes.
All that being said, they certainly have their place (travel, heavily fx based music, etc).
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Originally Posted by Little Jay
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Does Randall MTS counts as modelers or?
It's basicly same power amp for all modules. But you only change like preamp capsules of amps.
So you have like power amp of amp X.
One channel preamp of amp Y and second channel preamp of amp Z.
Cool concept.
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https://images.reverb.com/image/uplo...mnskajtesr.jpg
This is the basic concept.
My friend tried it via Randall Kirk Hammet amp.
He wasn't very impressed by it.
He said on separate preamp and good power amp like Mesa Boogie 50-50 it would be fun to listen to it.
But on generic Randall head he wasn't very impressed.
But I dig the concept and idea.
But good power amp, preamp, and module .... it costs ... like 3000$ easily.
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The past is now.
Rather than make modern music, everybody is concerned to emulate faithfully the sounds of yesterday’s kit. Musicians have become technicians, turning dials and testing gadgets in their endless search for perfect tone. They will never find it, because real amps are made of parts, not algorithms. Sound exists in space and time, not in a programmer’s mind.
Here is a reminder of what makes an amp; fifteen minutes of Fane, Partridge transformers and everything else.
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The guy in the beginning of the video has problems catching his breath though, probably from having to move the amp in the middle of the room..
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Are the ToneMasters considered modelers, yet?
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Originally Posted by Danny W.
Like to hear your review of the FM3 when you get it..seems cool just not sure i can get away with the 3 button setup compared to my Ax8. Bet it will sound great
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Am I the only one who is fan of old Vox AD series? This were really lovely amps.
Bunch of guys around me started on Vox AD series.
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I liked the Tone Master Twin Reverb I tried at the music store. If I were looking for a new amp, the lighter weight would sell it to me, even if it wasn't 100% as good as a real Twin. What would *really* hook me would be a Tweed Bassman version, as well as a separate head.
Last edited by BigDaddyLoveHandles; 03-04-2020 at 01:02 PM.
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I am curious about the Tonemaster series. But the real test is always on stage in the heat of a gig. Many amps that sound fine at home or even in the rehearsal room fall short on stage, when the horn section is there, the drummer gets enthusiastic and everybody turns up his mix in the monitors (which they shouldn’t of course, but it happens anyway).
My AB763 Guyatone Twin Reverb clone is the only amp that has proved to be able to always deliver, no matter what.
My Framus Strato 345 is a close 2nd, which is remarkable because it doesn’t even have half the Twins power and only 1 speaker.
If the Tonemaster Twin can do the same I would be sold.
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The only bit of modelling gear that I've been able to bond with is the OX from Universal Audio.
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I usually gig with my red pod. I set it to either black face or a tweed setting and use it like an amp into the PA. It doesn’t sound as good as my amps (vibrochamp and orange cube 60) but it’s convenient. I record with my VC and wish the pod sounded as good, but for a gig the pod is good enough. My band mates and the audience can’t tell the difference.
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From my first encounter with Boss COSM GT5 in the early '90s, to my POD 2.0, XT and Pro Live, I could never really bound with any of them and all got sold. I guess I am too lazy with programming through endless menus on a small LCD screen for hours to get a tone I like.
I still have my Cube 80XL which makes the use of modeling easy but I can't say its as good as a real amp.
For a couple months, I played with Amplitube on my PC including cabinet loader and IR and could get interesting results for recording but nothing I would use live.
Nowadays I only use my PRRI for Jazz and my Cube 80XL for everything else...
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just had a thought ....
Fender could now bundle up the preamp section and make a Tonemaster Twin Reverb
pedal ...
and/or a TM Delux Reverb pedal
im not saying they will ...
but they’d probably sell pretty good
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AMT F1 or Mad Professor Super Black ?? Tech 21 Blonde for Tweed?
U have tons of Fender in box pedals.
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Originally Posted by Mecena
But not a Fender made one .... Yet
based on the reactions to the TM amps
I think that those pedals would sell well ....
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If sound is good, I don't care about name on box .....
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Originally Posted by Mecena
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Well, if right now delivery would come to my house, with Vox AD 100 VT combo.
And like, 10 tubes packages for next 20 years of playing.
I wouldn't say no to that.
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I'm on board with Litterick--post 31 and am definitely anti-technology(up to a point) when it comes to musical performance. The quality of the instrument, a simple, quality amplifier and a creative musician is my potato soup. I believe all of this techno-hype originated from Rock guitarists who came to Jazz and couldn't live without their toys. Where is the line between effects and overall musicianship and the sound of a quality instrument? As I've said in other discussions, I believe a good techie could make a junk guitar sound great. Good playing . . . and lost in old school . . . Marinero
Last edited by Marinero; 03-05-2020 at 11:12 AM. Reason: addition
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Originally Posted by Marinero
Guitar-cable-tube amp. Reverb if it’s built in and sounds ok. No reverb, no problem.
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My main rig is a Helix LT through one of the old Line6 amps that I have setup for a flat EQ and response. I will eventually get a Line6 powercab to run it though. The reasons are fairly simple. I can play at any volume and have good tone. There are so many great effects and amp models, and I can dial them in to get almost any tone I could possibly want. It's a relatively inexpensive way to have a lot of sounds and tones at your disposal. Would I like a bunch of different amps and pedals? Sure would! But this setup makes the most sense to me right now.
I do have an old Jazzkat that I still use to plug directly into for my jazz stuff.
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Bet there were a lot of guitar players that felt tube guitar amps were an abomination when they first came out. And they do sound artificial up against an acoustic archtop. But that all turned out OK.
So.. how can people not at least be curious about modelers and want to try them? Odd.
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