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I'm watching what is listed as a 1963 175. Looking up the serial number it says 1963 or 1967. The 175 blog here says a '67 would have the skinnier neck.
Any other obvious differences?
Thanks
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05-15-2022 04:57 PM
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The 63 Would have a 1 11/16 nut, the 67 would have a 1 9/16 nut.
Assuming original pickups, the 63 would have PAF's or non-T-Top Patent sticker pickups. The 67 would have T-tops (but you would have to remove the pickup covers to check.
The 63 would have nickel hardware, the 67 would have Chrome hardware.
IIRC, the 62 would have a pickguard attachment to the neck whereas the 67 attachment would be directly to the top.
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Agreed with above statement. The 63 would be preferable!
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
Seller says they are 'pat no. pups (AKA PAFs)'.
There are no screws through pg.
Repair around jack socket and new socket.
I also have a 2016 figured in my sight!
A case of chalk and cheese?
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Originally Posted by garybaldy
I had a genuine 63 175 and I own a 2017 Figured 175. They are indeed very different. I was the victim of a misrepresentation when I bought my 63 and I had some restoration work done on it that did not please me so I sold it. I figured I would one day buy another early 60's 175, but today's prices preclude that.
The early 60's 175's have a very slim neck, but at the same time a wide fingerboard. They are not everyone's preference, but I loved it. The late model figured 175's are heavily built (much like the Norlin examples of the 70's) and they have a fairly full neck.
They are both fine jazz guitars, but there are significant differences.
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
Yeah, the prices now are rapidly increasing.
I should have got myself a 175 a long time ago. I really need to do it now and hopefully have some years to enjoy it (I'm in my mid 60s!) and ultimately as an investment for my children. I'm thinking that going for an older guitar is probably, albeit more costly, the best route to take.
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
Keith
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Originally Posted by garybaldy
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know this board is just the biggest group of enablers to spend
but the smart move is to buy the older 175 the laminate they used were thinner and more resonant this is an era before gibson started over building guitars
get the older one it will be a much wiser investment not only in your playing experience but it’s something you can leave your children
BigMike
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Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
Gold plated humbuckers didn't get used up as quickly because they went in high end guitars which are much rarer.
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Originally Posted by wintermoon
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
And yes, to Gibson the only difference was a sticker.
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Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
A leftover short magnet PAF (I have seen some all original 63's that had one PAF and one Patent sticker Pickup)
An early Patent sticker pickup that is identical to a short magnet PAF; or
An early Patent sticker pickup with different wire (in mid 1963, Gibson started winding the pickups with a different wire)
Patent sticker T-tops came later. After that came Patent number T-tops, then Shaw Pickups, then Classic 57's. On some 59 Reissue 175's, MHS Pickups were used.
The only other factory pickups used on ES-175's were P-90's (1949 to early 1957) and Charley Christian pickups (1978 and 1979)
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Originally Posted by floatingpickup
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Originally Posted by Crm114
On that basis, I now have to decide if the asking price is fair! I should be able to see it first as it's located just a spitting distance from me.
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
Keith
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
The reason I posted those sticker pictures is simply that the OP contains the statement that “Pat. No pickups” are “aka PAFs”, and that’s definitely not true. Either it’s one or the other, even if they’re identical apart from the sticker. The seller is being disingenuous in suggesting otherwise.
Ahh, the allure of history!Last edited by nevershouldhavesoldit; 05-16-2022 at 09:36 AM.
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Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
The statement is a quote from the seller. I too felt it was a little creative! Even with my limited knowledge I am pretty clear as to the different stickers/stamps that were used. My gut feel is that the pups are pat no. stickered which obviously aren't pafs. Hopefully they haven't been opened up. My knowledge of their history/chronology and which were used on what guitar is minimal.
So I'm hoping to check it out tomorrow, try a few II V Is and hopefully see the underside of the pickups!
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Originally Posted by garybaldy
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Originally Posted by floatingpickup
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Originally Posted by bluejaybill
What's funniest is that a lot of the things for which purists make a stink and pay through the nose now were done solely for convenience or economics. Leo Fender used car paint because there was a shop near his factory. Those "translucent" finishes were actually the result of his telling his crew to spray only enough paint so the guitar looked [insert color here] - after all, paint cost money. Fiesta Red was a '56 Thunderbird color used only that year. It was nitro, and it was cool - but more importantly to LF, it was readily available to him at an advantageous price.
I don't recall ever seeing non-stock pickups in anybody's guitar through most of the '60s. And having Norlin take over in the middle probably set the entire place to scrambling for dollars by using anything and everything they had lying around.Last edited by nevershouldhavesoldit; 05-16-2022 at 03:40 PM.
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What I find especially funny about all the esoteric discussion of Gibson pickups is that the consensus for many years was that it was all downhill once they got the patent. In 1978, nobody was talking about T-tops or Shawbuckers. Dimarzio, Duncan, and the entire pickup business was built on the premise that stock Gibson pickups sucked. Ditto for Fender, with CBS being the watershed. Yet here we are praising 70s pickups. It all just tells me that the collector tail has been wagging the player dog for 50 years, and we all should be very skeptical of received wisdom.
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Guitar players often pay for what is in their imagination rather than what is in their ears.
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Originally Posted by John A.
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Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
This will give University Professors of Marketing something to discuss for many years to come.
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