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The Tone Master Pro sure is a Dream. In the right hands.
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10-03-2023 03:02 PM
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I believe it costs around the same as the Quad Cortex? So there will be a market for it, if it can deliver the quality required. However the competition has decades of experience on the specific market. And these days the middle ground units like HX stomp and Boss Gt1000 core (which i both have) are very good already (even cheaper units like the Boss Gx-100 are completely giggable etc.). A big portion of the targeted market doesn't really need something that expensive for a digital solution. But then of course it's a new toy..!
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Yeah just for me, and me alone - if I needed modelling I’d have bought a modeller already. Tbf you get a lot for your money. But all I actually need is a good clean sound and occasionally a few effects. Weight and size are important too. The tonemaster amps are pretty appealing from that perspective.
Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
if I was doing commercial shows and so on I’d have got a modeller and would buy exactly what the other pros are using. Which was Axe FX a couple of years back, but no idea now.
I don’t know if Fender will cut through on this. My gut says they’ve missed their opportunity and they are not thought of as a guitar effects brand, however unfairly. Otoh if their amp models are far and away better, they could do well.
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I'm like you, a good clean sound and I'm done - but if you play in a venue with a PA, getting out of the house with a guitar bag and a small gear bag for the modeller is much simpler than carryiing an amp, even a small and light one. Also, consitency - I find the sound more consitent from room to room than with an amp. Originally Posted by Christian Miller
Yeah, if you do covers or studio or play in many styles, it's mandatory you use a modeler these days.
I think the answer to that will be market size. If it stays at the current size, maybe Fender won't make it. If it keeps expanding, I bet they can get a big shunk of the pros whi still haven't converted. From YouTube videos, it seems way easier to edit and use than any of the competitors, and that's a big barrier to entry for many people.
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This thing has a couple of onboard reverb impulse responses. That's a pretty big deal for those of us who can't stand digital reverb algorithms. Not sure this feature exists in any pedal-based or floor-based reverb at all until now.
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I do like an IR
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FENDER attestatons on the Tone Master Pro info: 12 main points from Fender—and one critical issue with the FRFR:
Fender: “1.We already have plans for a post-launch update. More on that later, but yes we plan to release firmware updates roughly every 6 months. We have a very long roadmap of new models and features. We're in this for the long-haul.
2.We will have artist presets available via the app. Our artist team is working on that as we speak and we most certainly will have artists that take on the road and use it in the studio. TM Pro is a closed system so all preset content will be shared (for free) via the app..
3. Tone Master Pro has 4 effects loops. The first two (Loops 1&2) are special in that they are 100% analog, fuzz-friendly, relay-based loops. The instrument input jack connects directly to the FX Loop1 Send jack. There are no buffers or active electronics between these Loops and the input.
If you have a vintage fuzz pedal, with a low-input impedance, it will be totally happy in Loops 1 or 2. Because of this, these 2 loops are in a fixed location at the front of the signal path. Loops 3&4 are in the digital domain and can be freely routed anywhere in the signal path. They can also be combined together to be a stereo Loop.
4. We have a 10 band Global EQ right now that can be applied to either Output 1 or 2 or both.
5. Tone Master Pro has dedicated an entire core of the processor to dealing with convolution reverbs. They sound AMAZING. They got that DRIP!
6. Yep +48V phantom power can be enabled in the Global Settings - I/O menu
* Loops 1 & 2 are hard-wired at the front of the signal path.
* The Global Mixer AND Global EQ are super powerful.
* Much more coming as far as MIDI support.
* Not sure what you mean by "resistance ladder" or how that relates to MIDI
* We do have variable input impedance on the Instrument input.
* The scribble strips are NOT touch screens, not sure where you saw that.
* Footswitches are NOT capacitive.
7. Tone Master FR-10 and FR-12 are bi-amped with an active crossover. The CUT control is a variable low pass filter. It allows the full signal to pass when the knob is on 1 and removes high frequencies as the knob is turned up.
8 I won't talk about possible future features, but the hardware is very robust and can support most anything we decide to throw at it. That said, our component-based modeling process provides better results across the entire range of the model control settings. On a profile/capture, the Gain & EQ knobs have absolutely NO idea what you captured and what they are controlling. That Mid knob doesn't know or care if you captured a Deluxe Reverb, a JCM800 or a Tube Screamer. It's unlikely to be adjusting the right mid frequency and certainly doesn't interact with the bass and treble controls the way it should. The controls on our models do what you expect them to and our models clean up when you roll back the volume on your guitar. We won't get into profiles until we come up with a novel scheme that solves these problems.
9. All of our cabs are Impulse Responses that we've captured.
* Each one of those position dots on our cabinet editor opens an IR for that cab/speaker, mic, placement and distance combination
* As of launch (10/3/23) we have well over 6,000 IRs in the unit, and more to come in future updates with new cab or mic options.
10. You can use standard XLR to XLR cables to connect TMP and the TMFR cabs. The FR input jack is an XLR-1/4" combination jack so it will work with either XLR or 1/4 cables. Any standard 1/4" TS guitar cable of your choice is fine for connecting a guitar.
11. Tuner is (currently) fixed at A440 Load up to 256 IRs
Looper is fixed at 60 seconds stereo
12. One area where users said that L6 failed with was getting that "amp in the room" feel with their FRFR cab and Helix together. It's like they didn't design them to work together to sound like a real amp in the room. It's like they were designed completely separate. Was the Tone Master Pro designed to work with the Fender FRFR cab to sound like an amp in the room?
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Amps:
- Fender '59 Bassman® (Combo, Head)
- Fender '65 Princeton® Reverb (Combo, Head)
- Fender '65 Deluxe Reverb® (Combo, Head)
- Fender '65 Twin Reverb® (Combo, Head)
- Fender '65 Super Reverb® (Combo, Head)
- Fender Vibro-King® (Combo, Head)
- Fender Blues Junior™ (Combo, Head)
- Fender Bassbreaker™ (Combo, Head)
- Vox AC30 Normal Channel (Combo, Head)
- Vox AC30 Brilliant Channel (Combo, Head)
- Mesa/Boogie Mark I (Combo, Head)
- Roland JC-120 Jazz Chorus (Combo, Head)
- Marshall 1959 Super Lead Plexi (Stack, Head)
- Marshall JCM800 2204 (Stack, Head)
- Marshall Silver Jubilee 2553 - Clean (Stack, Head)
- Marshall Silver Jubilee 2553 - Rhythm (Stack, Head)
- Marshall Silver Jubilee 2553 - Lead (Stack, Head)
- Friedman BE-100 (Stack, Head)
- EVH 5150III 6L6 - Green Channel (Stack, Head)
- EVH 5150III 6L6 - Blue Channel (Stack, Head)
- Mesa/Boogie Mark IIC+ (Stack, Head)
- EVH 5150III 6L6 - Red Channel (Stack, Head)
- Mesa/Boogie Dual Rectifier (Stack, Head)
- Bogner Uberschall (Stack, Head)
- Custom Studio Preamp (Head Only)
- Custom Tube Preamp (Head Only)
- Fender Acoustasonic™ Preamp (Head Only)
Effects:
Gain:
- Clean Boost
- Dallas Rangemaster Treble Booster
- Marshall Bluesbreaker
- Analogman Prince of Tone
- Paul Cochran Timmy
- Ibanez TS808 Tube Screamer
- Klon Centaur
- Nobels ODR-1BC
- B.K. Butler Tube Driver
- Boss DS-1
- MXR Distortion Plus
- Seymour Duncan Palladium Gain Stage
- Pugilist Distortion
- Pro Co RAT
- Electro-Harmonix Green Russian Big Muff Pi
- Electro-Harmonix Big Muff Pi Ram’s Head
- Fuzz Face (Germanium)
- Fuzz Face (Silicon)
- Seymour Duncan Tweak Fuzz
- Tycobrahe Octavia
- Octobot
Modulation:
- Tube Bias Tremolo (Fender Princeton® Reverb)
- Harmonic Tremolo (Fender Harmonic Vibrato)
- Optical Tremolo (Fender Twin Reverb)
- Boss TR-2 Tremolo
- Roland JC-120 JC Chorus
- Roland JC-120 JC Vibrato
- Fender Vibratone
- Uni-Vibe
- Leslie 147 Rotary Speaker
- Leslie 122 Rotary Speaker
- Boss BF-3 Flanger (Mono, Stereo)
- MXR Flanger
- Electro-Harmonix Electric Mistress
- MXR Phase 90
- Boss PH-3 Phaser
- Boss CE-5 Chorus (Mono, Stereo)
- Boss DC-2 Dimension C
- Dyno My Piano Tri-Stereo Chorus
- Orbit Stereo Panner
Delay:
- Auto-Swell Delay
- Digital Delay Mono
- TC Electronic 2290 Delay - Dynamic
- TC Electronic 2290 Delay - Studio
- Echo Filter (Mono, Stereo)
- Electro-Harmonix Deluxe Memory Man (Mono, Stereo)
- Ping Pong Delay
- Roland RE-201 Space Echo (Mono, Stereo)
- Reverse Delay
- Maestro Echoplex EP-3
Reverb:
- '63 Spring Reverb
- '65 Spring Reverb
- Large Hall Reverb
- Small Hall Reverb
- Large Plate Reverb (EMT 140)
- Large Room Reverb
- Modulated Large Hall Reverb
- Modulated Small Hall Reverb
- Cloud Reverb
- Celestial Reverb
- Nebula Reverb
- Shimmer Reverb
Dynamics + EQ:
- MXR Dynacomp (Dynamic, Simple)
- Boss CS-3 Compression Sustainer
- Studio Compressor
- MXR M-163 Sustain
- EQ3 Parametric
- Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+ graphic equalizer
- Boss GE-7 graphic equalizer)
- Noise Gate
- ISP Technologies Decimator II G String
- Simple Noise Gate
- Volume Pedal
- Auto Swell
Filters + Pitch:
- Dunlop Crybaby 535Q Wah
- Dunlop Crybaby GCB-95 Wah
- Vox V847 Wah
- Pitch Shifter
- Harmonizer
- Feedback Generator
- DigiTech Whammy
- DigiTech Whammy Detune
Cabs:
- 1x10 Fender '65 Princeton with Jensen® C10R
- 1x12 Fender '65 Deluxe Reverb® with Jensen® C12K
- 1x12 Fender '65 Deluxe Reverb with Celestion® Creamback
- 1x12 Fender Bassbreaker with Celestion® V-Type
- 1x12 Fender Blues Junior with Celestion® A-Type
- 1x12 Fender Blues Junior LTD with Jensen® C12N
- 2x12 Fender '65 Twin Reverb with Jensen® C12K
- 2x12 Fender '65 Twin Reverb with Celestion® Creamback
- 2x12 Fender Vibro-King with Celestion® Vintage 30
- 3x10 Fender Vibro-King with Jensen P10R
- 4x10 Fender '59 Bassman with Jensen® P10R
- 4x10 Fender '65 Super Reverb with Jensen® P10R
- 1x12 Mesa/Boogie Mark IIC+ with EVM12L
- 2x12 Vox AC30 with Celestion® Alnico Blue
- 2x12 Vox AC30 with Celestion® Greenback
- 2x12 Roland JC-120 Jazz Chorus
- 2x12 Marshall Jubilee with Celestion® G12-75
- 4x12 Marshall 1960TV with Celestion® Greenback
- 4x12 Marshall 1960A (late-’80s) with Celestion® G12T75
- 4x12 Marshall 1960A (late '80s) with Celestion® Vintage 30
- 4x12 Friedman with Celestion® Vintage 30
- 4x12 EVH 5150 IIIS with Celestion® G12 EVH 20W
- 4x12 Mesa Boogie Rectifier (Standard) with Celestion® Vintage 30
- 4x12 Mesa Boogie (1985 Half-Back) with Vintage Black Shadow
- 4x12 Bogner Uberkab with Celestion® G12T75
- 4x12 Bogner Uberkab with Celestion® Vintage 30
Microphones:
- Sennheiser MD 421 dynamic
- Royer Labs R-121 ribbon
- Electro-Voice RE20 cardioid dynamic
- AKG C414 condenser
- Earthworks Audio M23 condenser
- Shure SM7B dynamic
- Shure SM57 dynamic
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From Fender rep:
”Bass is absolutely in our plans for TMP. Currently there is a great studio and tube preamp in the unit that both sound great with bass - you can then add compression, EQ and whatever effects suit your tastes. So more to come for sure....”
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I wondering if those are vintage Chicago Jensens or Italian Jensens ?
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A reminder that this has a Mic input and phantom power
Mary Spender: “Fender Crushed my Pedal Board”
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So with the microphone XLR input and built-in mixer, you can mix a vocal/guitar blend to come out of the main outs (for a singer-songwriter-type gig) OR, for those who care for the best jazz tone, we have the option of using 2 amps in stereo (of our choice, e.g, a Fender Deluxe Reverb and either the Roland JC120 Jazz Chorus or the Fender Acoustasonic™ Preamp or any other amp AND blend that with the mic-sound, with the mic of our choice.
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It looks like it's Amplitube in a pedal. Amplitube Max goes on sale from time to time for $99, just a few years ago I believe it was $599. Amplitube has been at this for a long time, I'd guess the quality is better with the Amplitube software and the interface is better.
So, to me, this only makes sense if you're going to use it to perform live and need a bunch of different amp and pedal sounds. I wouldn't want what is essentially a computer on stage on the ground in a bar that costs $1700. And you would need a backup. What a nightmare if that unit fails or needs repairs.
If price isn't a factor, then it looks to be a pretty cool new piece of gear. And of course, we all need more gear.
A traditional amp or a Quilter tone block or a Fender Tone Master with traditional pedals seems like a better solution for live performance.
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It would be unaffordable but for the fact that GC and Sweetwater have 48 month interest free financing. Originally Posted by fep
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I'll probably pick one up when they close them out for $200 in a year or two.
Got my Cyber Twin SE with foot controller (like new) $ three hundred
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It just looks like another nightmare of a user experience. Last thing I need when playing music is looking down at a bunch of buttons and knobs. I absolutely despise using a digital interface to see my controls and the worst thing in the world is having to scroll or click into layered menus.
Too many options, too many effects, too much BS. The demo with the lame pitch shifted delay from that youtuber John N Cordy or whatever is exactly the kind of music I hope never to find myself playing (or listening to).
You know, even if they actually created something that sounded EXACTLY like a vintage tube amp, I would still hate to have to go through this user experience.
In my opinion, what would actually be innovative would be a multi-effects or modeler that doesn't absolutely destroy the fun of playing music. This is why the original tonemaster combos are brilliant IMO. They don't sound as good as the real thing but they're great for what they are.
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I think what you mean by fun is ease of use. I bought both the AxeFx2 and AxeFx3s, thinking they could work. Hell NO! There is a great musical engineer in Grass Valley who actually sells his services to help people program the AxeFx, and he’s not cheap.
The Kemper captures all kind of sounded kind of samey to me. I got rid of the Kemper and the Fractals.
I think, comparatively speaking, this is 100 times easier to use than the Fractals. You don’t have to be a programmer or engineer to make sense of it. While not quite Plug and Play, it seems MUCH EASIER to get going and use.
For me, the Fender cleans (mostly) and the partial dirts sound great. The effects that are important (delay and reverb) sound good. I could care less about the Vox-Marshall-EVH stuff.
I do wish it had a longer looper function. that would be a killer level functionality. Maybe it will come with a firmware update, at some point.
This has basically twice the processing power as the rest.
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BOSS ME series is worth checking out. Everything is a knob. No menus. But it will save a patch. Originally Posted by omphalopsychos
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this looks great if you played sessions and need every kinda sound in a pedal
so be fair this isn’t really aimed
at Jazzers ….
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I dunno. Lots of players carry a few pedals with them. And, you can use it as a backup for an amp (or as a replacement) and send everything out to the PA. I use a Boss GT-1000 and find it super easy to take with me wherever and I can use it with or without an amp. Originally Posted by pingu
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It’s interesting. I only know about the Fender Twin-Princeton-Deluxe-Blues Jr.
They have a whole bunch of amps, actually.
From Fender rep: “The Tweed Deluxe is HARD to model, dude! Of course we will model it, but won't release it until it's perfecto!”.
Do people here ever talk abut the Fender Tweed Deluxe? The only thing I can see, it looks “yellow”
XLR input does full +60db
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Agreed, this is either 'all-original band' guitarist kit or cover band guitarist kit. If this has been available when I bought my AX-8 I would have gotten it in a heartbeat. Originally Posted by pingu
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Well, it has a Twin and a spring reverb, so a jazzer can use it.
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yeah but £1649 list ! Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
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