Not jazz but, well, frightening: Marcin Patrzalek

**kris** · 04-10-2021, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive

You dont even make sense dude. In jazz we always add extra chords and rhythm to standards, it's kind of... expected?

Sure, if you like this version of Paganini, great! Who's banning what? Enjoy, explore, copy, you can do many things in that direction. You play guitar, right? So did you start working on this new techniques yet?

After all said and done, you can really explore the percussive way of playing and adding it to your playing. I do and I think it's really cool if used to taste in any genre. We can learn from anyone, even we dont really dig them.

If you like Jimi Hendrix, for example, do you have to copy him, his technique or whatever?
I love hearing Jimi play but never copied his playing.It would be bad.

**Hep To The Jive** · 04-10-2021, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by kris

If you like Jimi Hendrix, for example, do you have to copy him, his technique or whatever?
I love hearing Jimi play but never copied his playing.It would be bad.

You dont have to, but why wouldn't you? I copied Jimi a lot, or tried to anyway, back in the day. I learn from many players of all genres, and definitely copied all rock guitar masters. Nobody told me, I just love it, because I'm an artist.

**grahambop** · 04-10-2021, 12:35 PM

I spent a significant chunk of my teenage years trying to play like Jimi Hendrix. I like to think some of that still influences my jazz playing.

**BWV** · 04-10-2021, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by kris

It makes no sense.Is it faster the better?

yes, and at that speed Bumblebee works over any and all changes, so in addition to being the World’s Fastest Guitarist™ , he is also now the World’s Greatest Bebop Guitarist™.

**kris** · 04-10-2021, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by BWV

yes, and at that speed Bumblebee works over any and all changes, so in addition to being the World’s Fastest Guitarist™ , he is also now the World’s Greatest Bebop Guitarist™.

Solo guitarist...no band...wow

**kris** · 04-10-2021, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by grahambop

I spent a significant chunk of my teenage years trying to play like Jimi Hendrix. I like to think some of that still influences my jazz playing.

I tried to play like Jimi too ... it was at school. A long time ago. I had very bad equipment and a guitar that hurt my fingers.
This solo was fascinating and it is still today.I don't know what effect this had on my guitar playing.
I got interested in jazz and stopped playing loud.

**Marcel_A** · 04-10-2021, 01:20 PM

Circus act:

Most impressive. Not so much the teeth and neck stuff, but playing the guitar the other way around . . . .

**kris** · 04-10-2021, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive

You dont have to, but why wouldn't you? I copied Jimi a lot, or tried to anyway, back in the day. I learn from many players of all genres, and definitely copied all rock guitar masters. Nobody told me, I just love it, because I'm an artist.

You took my comment to yourself too much.
What I meant was that my copying was poor quality and I wanted to play like Jimi.
I didn't have a good guitar and a strong amplifier.
It was at the end of the 60's. But Once upon a time !!!

**kris** · 04-10-2021, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Marcel_A

Circus act:

Most impressive. Not so much the teeth and neck stuff, but playing the guitar the other way around . . . .

If you had said Circus act in this time when Jimi was alive, you'd have problems.

He was the god of the guitar.

**Marcel_A** · 04-10-2021, 04:11 PM

Don’t worry. I know who Hendrix is.

**rlrhett** · 04-10-2021, 04:39 PM

I don’t understand the acrimony and hurt feelings in this thread. Yes, this young man’s finger dexterity and fretboard knowledge is near super human. Also true that I did not enjoy listening to it as music.

No one knows how he will develop. Some prodigies never translate their technical prowess into music that moves and inspires. Some do. Young Beethoven was thought to be a teenage freak who wowed people with his speed and the difficulty of his playing. He matured. Most do not. Only time will tell.

Why is that controversial?

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**Peter C** · 04-10-2021, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by rlrhett

I don’t understand the acrimony and hurt feelings in this thread. Yes, this young man’s finger dexterity and fretboard knowledge is near super human. Also true that I did not enjoy listening to it as music.

No one knows how he will develop. Some prodigies never translate their technical prowess into music that moves and inspires. Some do. Young Beethoven was thought to be a teenage freak who wowed people with his speed and the difficulty of his playing. He matured. Most do not. Only time will tell.

Why is that controversial?

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**christianm77** · 04-10-2021, 05:27 PM

I didn’t really copy anyone when I was a teenager. I don’t think it really occurred to me.

**kris** · 04-10-2021, 05:40 PM

"Why is that controversial?"
Good question.
We live in a different time than Beethoven.
Anyone can write a comment quickly.
People are sitting in front of computers more.
The concerts are online without an audience.
There are countless videos.Everyone is looking for the best way to get an audience.
Some people like it, others don't.Some say they develop this way and others say they don't.
Music is everywhere.
Music should connect people but in excess it causes controversy...
The controversy on the forum is nothing unusual.
The easiest way is to criticize the musician verbally by writing a comment.
The commented musician is unable to answer ... a wave of comments begins.
I mean commenting on a recorded video.

**Lobomov** · 04-10-2021, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by rlrhett

I don’t understand the acrimony and hurt feelings in this thread. Yes, this young man’s finger dexterity and fretboard knowledge is near super human. Also true that I did not enjoy listening to it as music.

No one knows how he will develop. Some prodigies never translate their technical prowess into music that moves and inspires. Some do. Young Beethoven was thought to be a teenage freak who wowed people with his speed and the difficulty of his playing. He matured. Most do not. Only time will tell.

Why is that controversial?

Cause many don't actually say what you did. They say what he is doing isn't music ... or call him a circus act .. or claim that he ain't no Chet Atkins ... or whatever ...

The statement "Hey, not really my taste, but he's quite talented and might do something great later on" isn't all that common.

Great young player after great young player is posted here and the forum duly obliges by barfing all over him .. or her. This thread is quite harmless, tho I admire how Kris keeps it alive .. Kris is cool. You want a real train wreck try this one with the cool and fairly young Elenora Strino

elonora strino

Gottta love this forum

**Lobomov** · 04-10-2021, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by christianm77

I didn’t really copy anyone when I was a teenager. I don’t think it really occurred to me.

Really? .. That is actually quite unusual .. I spent a lot of time ghosting Mark Knopfler around 15-16 .. Then did that same with Andy Summers a year later

Sure there where other players ... You know the usual suspects .. but those two just stood out in a massive way.

Don't most teens have heroes they emulate?

**Hep To The Jive** · 04-10-2021, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Lobomov

You want a real train wreck try this one with the cool and fairly young Elenora Strino

elonora strino

Gottta love this forum

Yea, how did this happen... But to be fair, she's got a lot of love on this forum, as she should have. It was just one guy, basically a troll, with his ridiculously patronizing comment, made all the stir. To me you could laugh at it and forget it, but many got seriously offended. But you have to admit, Eleonora Strino is well loved around here, a great new player.

**Lobomov** · 04-10-2021, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive

Yea, how did this happen... But to be fair, she's got a lot of love on this forum, as she should have. It was just one guy, basically a troll, with his ridiculously patronizing comment, made all the stir. To me you could laugh at it and forget it, but many got seriously offended. But you have to admit, Eleonora Strino is well loved around here, a great new player.

Yeah ... She is great and sure .. no need to get offended .. but it's the internet and sometimes you just get carried away .. and at pther times just feeling like semi-trolling ... I'm guilty of both of those of these occasionally

It's the internet as said

**Hep To The Jive** · 04-10-2021, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by christianm77

I didn’t really copy anyone when I was a teenager. I don’t think it really occurred to me.

Really, you never had the urge to get into the head of your fav players and copy their licks, to see how they do it? So how did you learn, just playing whatever your teacher handed you on paper? Hard to believe, but ok

**zdub** · 04-10-2021, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by S F

It sounds like a rhythm piece that happens to have some kind of a melody(sometimes?) rather than a song that happens to have percussion. Some parts were nice like the harmonics towards the end.

He reminds me of a Candyrat kind of player. I do like some Candyrat Records guys like Antoine Dufour. This kind of approach to acoustic guitar I find more pleasant to listen to.

Yep, Candyrat is swarming with technically adept guitarists, but Antoine stands with only a few others (IMO of course) in creating interesting compositions in that style. He has also become a go-to recording engineer for acoustic music.

**Marcel_A** · 04-11-2021, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by Lobomov

The statement "Hey, not really my taste, but he's quite talented and might do something great later on" isn't all that common.

Maybe you should think about the qualification 'circus act' a bit more. It has nothing to do with taste.
It has to do with why people stop and take the time to look at a video of this Marcin guy.
I guarantee you that nobody thinks Marcin is making great music. Nobody wants to listen to an album of this stuff.
People like it because because it is very difficult to do. Like a good magic trick or a . . . . good circus act.
I didn't check the comments, but how many say that this was the best version of Kazmir they ever heard? How many say that this version of Beethovens 9th was very tasteful? I bet they all say how amazing and difficult it was.
You know, like a circus act.

**kris** · 04-11-2021, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by Marcel_A

Maybe you should think about the qualification 'circus act' a bit more. It has nothing to do with taste.
It has to do with why people stop and take the time to look at a video of this Marcin guy.
I guarantee you that nobody thinks Marcin is making great music. Nobody wants to listen to an album of this stuff.
People like it because because it is very difficult to do. Like a good magic trick or a . . . . good circus act.
I didn't check the comments, but how many say that this was the best version of Kazmir they ever heard? How many say that this version of Beethovens 9th was very tasteful? I bet they all say how amazing and difficult it was.
You know, like a circus act.

How do you know all this? I'm sure there will be people who have a completely different opinion.Marcin has hit a very large audience, maybe it works in such a way that only Marcin's playing draws them in.
Don't take away people's right to listen to something that you associate with a circus.
Marcin's works are his guitar visions.
For me, the circus at this point is that you compare Beethovens' symphonies to the modest idea of a young guitarist.
Viewers are not musicians.
In music school, I had to listen to Beethovens symphonies over and over again to pass the exam.
Are you sure everyone listens to classical music?
Instead of worrying about Marcin's playing, I propose to listen to all Beethoven's symphonies. I've already done it.
This is a great masterpiece of music.

**Gabor** · 04-11-2021, 07:22 AM

I would prefer Jimmy Page, who is btw the "originator" the "feeling", (around 1975) almost half century ago. It would be great to focus nowadays more on the content and the feeling, instead of the "form" and attraction (clicks). Pick your favorite below, hard choice, because all have a common attribute: has content, I mean speaks to us:

(just for the record, Kashmir not even my favorite Led Zeppelin record, because "I do not agree :-)" this harmonic minorish touch in rock/blues, this is the predecessor of Ritchie Blackmoore's Rainbow (1975) which really abused this tone, and was really disappointing.)

(wow, Page with single coil?!)

**Gabor** · 04-11-2021, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by waltf

I think you'll like this wonder kid

I really respect hard work, and talent, but I can't help imagining, John Cleese doing this as a Monty Python sketch, in that context this would be really a classic :-)

**ruger9** · 04-11-2021, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by kris

"Why is that controversial?"
but in excess it causes controversy...
The controversy on the forum is nothing unusual.
.

Haven't you heard? Making everything controversial is the new hobby. Because everybody has to have a problem with everything. Complaint and outrage is the new virtue signaling. If you're not bitchin' about something, you aren't "woke" enough.