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Apologies if this has been posted already.
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11-11-2019 12:23 PM
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haha -- that's some great stuff Rob!
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Wowza! Cros tells a story well, doesn't he?
I'd like to see that movie.
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his brains flowing out of his nose?
put down the pipe David
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Originally Posted by wintermoon
his brains flowing out of his nose?
put down the pipe David
lol, don't hold your breath.
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crosby was a known coltrane advocate early on..the byrds managers ran world pacific records...they had ravi shankar and jazz acts on the label....when the byrds first toured, mcguinn rigged up an early cassette player to an amp..and they blasted trane and ravi shankar for the whole tour ride...tranes track india with eric dolphy is the genesis of the byrds eight miles high...the lead line is from trane!..and the solo was mcguinns attempt at playin like trane (and crosbys imitation ^ hah) on an electric 12 string guitar
hope to see that crosby docu-bio in next few days..been lookin forward to it
i've also heard stories of trane continuing to play while offstage before..so hes tellin true stories
say what you will about him, crosbys been around some major scenes...
and im sure elvin was higher than he was!!!
cheers
ps- also notice when crosby recreates scene ^...hes miming playin' a straight horn..ala coltranes soprano!!!Last edited by neatomic; 11-11-2019 at 09:47 PM.
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Great post, neatomic. New info in there for me.
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just funnin' around neatomic
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Nice to see the video.
David Crosby has his issues, but he has always been very intelligent, a great singer and a great songsmith.
One of my absolute favorite songs is Guinevere, both the song recorded by CSNY and the version recorded by Miles Davis. It sure sounds influenced by the modal jazz of the 60's.
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I didn't know Miles had recorded Guinevere. Thanks, Jeff!
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Miles’ version is quite faithful to the original. I had the Miles recording long before I heard the CSN one as it happens.
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miles was also instrumental in getting the byrds signed to columbia!! he knew crosby and management..and put in a call to give them an audition session!
crosby has always used strange tunings...not your average g or d tunings...but his own made up ones...he was definitely inspired by modal jazz, indian music & drones in general
cheers
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11-12-2019, 05:32 PM #13joelf Guest
Don't wanna be the wet blanket here. I really enjoy Crosby's writing----someone mentioned Guinevere and I think it masterful.
I was AT Woodstock----I preface my comments on Mr. Crosby et al by saying that b/c it ties in w/my main point. A lot of the '60s rockers talk a good game about Trane and Miles, etc----but they never put in the work those guys did. And I don't mean Garcia or Santana.
The reason I broach Woodstock and that I was there? Yeah, I was there and 15 and stoned!!
WXPN, a local Philly station, in August played the Woodstock music as it went down. Butterfield/Buzzy---killin'; Canned Heat as I remembered; Sly Stone for sure---Santana sounded like talented kids (not a bad thing). But a lot of the one-chord jams by many bands professing a Trane influence were painfully out of tune and, well, painful.
Do I blame Coltrane for this? Hell no, not any more than I'd blame his 'disciples' who play long, boring solos w/o putting in the time he did studying the masters and playing standards. At least they can PLAY, though.
The End...
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Joe, nobody put in the work Trane did...Crosby was in another world, but he recognised genius when he saw it.
When I was 15 I had a book of David Crosby's music, with all the weird tunings he used. I was too young to figure it all out, but I was impressed with his quasi-impressionist harmonic language in what was loosely labelled as folk rock. A most underrated guitarist in my opinion, but far from in the traditional soloist sense. He contributed to the background vibe.
PS Enjoying the Miles version of Guinevere!
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yes rob...same can be said for his vocal talents..may not be the strongest lead vocal..but as a harmony vocalist, one of the all time best in the rock field...in byrds, clark and mcguinn would sing unison, leaving crosby to harmonize the high lines without regard to strict intervals...he'd go where the spirit took him..and many times his high parts are better than the melody line...
up there with art garfunkel for high harmony voices
cheers
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I remember Cros' altered tunings.
Are we certain that they weren't really Joni Mitchell's tunings? (due to polio?)
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crosbys tuning for guinnevere is E-B-D-G-A-D (low to high) also used on deja vu
he and young joni mitchell were romantically involved after he was already successful..but he claims her tunings were already fully formed before they met...no doubt they influenced each other
crosby was also a huge influence on michael hedges
his fave trick was to have his acoustics made or modded with 12th fret neck joints
cheers
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...and he still hasn't cut his hair
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I watched the movie a few days ago. What amazed me was how good he sounds after all that... um... livin'.
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David shouldn’t be underestimated...
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^^^ Croz's son James on piano.
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Great video.
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Absolutely! But what a difficult personality. He had conflicts with nearly everyone, including his long-term best friend Graham Nash. Can you imagine? I have always had weak spot for Graham Nash since he was a member of the Hollies and later seeing his fabulous photography exhibition "The Graham Nash Collection". Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
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Beautiful yeah ........
(the vid)
his is son plays a great solo
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Originally Posted by rictroll
Really liked his old scat singing, but god he was "pitchy" as hell there, couldn't finish listening.
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