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I wasn't sure about this until I just heard some tapes of him playing at The Bull's Head with Tony Lee.
Louis Stewart was Irish, with smiling eyes and all...
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04-03-2023 08:54 PM
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Huh! That's a name from the long and distant past.
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There’s some stuff on youtube, not sure if these are the same recordings. Terry’s first solo is about 3 minutes in.
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There’s some Terry Smith stuff here, someone recorded loads of jazz gigs around London in the 70s and put them all on google drive (don’t know why this says ‘update your browser’, it’s just the link to the google drive folder):
Update your browser to use Google Drive, Docs, Sheets, Sites, Slides, and Forms - Google Drive Help
Here's a list of all the gigs:
Bill Le Sage \ Tony Lee \ Tony Archer \ Art MorganLeather Bottel, Merton - April 1978
Bill Le Sage \ Tony Lee \ Tony Archer \ Tony MannBull's Head, Barnes - 10th July 1974
Tony Lee \ Tony Archer \ Alan Ganley \ Tony Utter(congas)Burford Bridge Hotel, Box Hill, Surrey
Danny Moss \ Tony Lee \ Tony Archer \ Tony MannLeather Bottel, Merton - 5th September 1974
Denny Ogden \ Willie Garnet \ Alan Stewart \ Ron Humphries \ Eric Sinclair \ Matt Matheson \ Spike Hughes \ Eddie Cooper \ Martin DrewThe Hopbine, Wembley - 1st October 1970
Dick Morrisey \ Terry Smith \ Tony Lee \ Tony Archer \ Roger Sellars \ Terry JenkinsBull's Head, Barnes - 31 March 1976
Dick Morrisey \ Tony Lee \ Tony Archer \ Tony MannBull's Head, Barnes - 23 June 1974
Harry Klien \ Tony Lee \ Tony Archer \ Barry Squires \ Art MorganLeather Bottel, Merton - 26 May 1975
Joe Temperly \ Tony Lee \ Tony Archer \ Martin DrewBurford Bridge Hotel, Box Hill, Surrey - 6th February 1977
Johnny McCleavy \ Jack Emblow \ Louis Stewart \ Tony Lee \ Tony Archer \ Martin DrewBull's Head, Barnes - 5th July 1975
Lennie Best \ Tony Lee \ Tony Archer \ Dick BrennanBull's Head, Barnes - 30th October 1974
Lennie Best \ Tony Lee \ Tony Archer \ Tony MannLeather Bottel, Merton - 11th July 1974
Louis Stewart \ Tony Lee \ Tony Archer \ Martin DrewBull's Head, Barnes - 23rd July 1975
Martin Taylor \ Tony LeePizza On The Park - 18th January 1984
Peter Coe \ Tony Lee \ Tony Archer \ Martin DrewLeather Bottel, Merton - 20th March 1975
Peter Coe \ Tony Lee \ Tony Archer \ Tony MannLeather Bottel, Merton - 8th August 1974
Tony Lee \ Tony Archer \ Martin DrewPrivate Party, Twickenham - 15th February 1975
Ronnie Ross \ Tony Lee \ Tony Archer \ Martin DrewBull's Head, Barnes - 4th December 1974
Terry Smith \ Dave Quincey \ Tony Lee \ Tony Archer \ Martin Drew \ Lofty Amao(Congas)Bull's Head, Barnes - 19th September 1974
Terry Smith \ Tony Lee \ Tony Archer \ Alan GanleyBull's Head, Barnes - 26 January 1977
Terry Smith \ Tony Lee \ Tony Archer \ Ron EtheringtonBull's Head, Barnes - 1st May 1973
Tony Lee \ Bill Le Sage (two pianos)Pizza On The Park - 27th January 1982
Tony Lee \ Spike HeatleyBull's Head, Barnes - 23rd June 1971
Tony Lee \ Spike HeatleyBull's Head, Barnes - 28th July 1971
Tony Lee \ Ian Stewart \ Tony KinseyBull's Head, Barnes - 7th July 1987
Tony Lee \ Spike Heatley \ Tony KinseyBull's Head, Barnes - 8th + 19th July 1986
Tony Lee \ Tony Archer \ Bill EydenLeather Bottel, Merton - 19th December 1974
Tony Lee \ Tony Archer \ Martin DrewLeather Bottel, Merton - 15th March 1976
Tony Lee \ Tony Archer \ Martin DrewPizza Express, Dean Street - 5th September 1982
Tony Lee \ Tony Archer \ Terry JenkinsLeather Bottel, Merton - 22nd June 1981
Tony Lee \ Tony Archer \ Martin Drew \ Tony Utter(congas)Leather Bottel, Merton - 1st March 1978
Tony Lee \ Tommy Whittle \ Tony Archer \ Martin DrewWigmore Hall W1 - 9th March 1975
Last edited by grahambop; 04-04-2023 at 05:55 AM.
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I’ve just discovered that Terry’s 1968 big band album, Fall Out, is on youtube (I see it’s on itunes as well). I’ve been waiting to hear this for years!
Fall Out - YouTube
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I don't know Graham, it seems like you must own the Interwebz!
Originally Posted by grahambop
Those were the exact recordings I was basing my comment on!
It's one of the few times you get to hear Terry playing jazz standards, and he kills on all of them.
He just burns on "Four On Six", chorus after chorus, each one better than the previous one.
While all of his work with If was fantastic (I saw them live twice, and the second time it was like it was Terry's band; he was taking all the solos. I came out of the club astounded), you couldn't call them mainstream jazz. The album with Tony Lee was very good, but the tunes they played on it ("Isn't She Lovely", All Blues and others), seemed to be stressing a kind of jazz-rock energy
Even "Fallout", which I have on CD, the album was a gift from the wild Scott Walker, who Terry served as musical director for, for a few years, doesn't contain any jazz standards, mainly pop tunes by Bachrach, which were very popular at the time. He does play one or two originals with a trio backing him, which were very good.
Scott Walker produced it for Phillips Records, and he might have been the one who chose the repertoire for the album.
They include a recent interview with TS, where he seems very low key, other than making the pronouncement that I used as a title for this thread.
I was surprised to find out that he did a stint teaching at Trinity College, and also had done studio work, playing on some movies.
Tony Lee does some great playing on the Bull's Head tapes, and I'm surprised that such a fine player was invisible to US audiences (just like TS).
Martin Drew was very strong drummer who also didn't make it over to the US.
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That one isn't so good. I heard it years ago. Originally Posted by grahambop
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I think I came across all those Tony Lee recordings via a youtube video a few years ago, I probably posted something on the forum then.
Anyway today I downloaded all the gigs featuring guitar, I only had a couple of them before. You never know when this stuff might disappear from the internet!
For some reason I don’t recall ever seeing Tony Lee live, though I knew who he was. I didn’t go to the Bull’s Head Barnes much, that might be why.
I used to see Martin Drew at Ronnie Scotts a lot, he was in Ronnie’s band. Great drummer, I think Oscar Peterson always used to use him when in the UK.
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Wasn’t Martin Drew a member of the Oscar Peterson trio in its later years (after OP stopped using guitarists)? I believe I saw him at a couple of OP appearances in Toronto, one at York U (when OP was installed as Chancellor) and another at either Massey Hall or Convocation Hall. Originally Posted by sgcim
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Mostly Ed Thigpen, but as Graham just said, he used him in the UK and Canada apparently, in your experience. Originally Posted by pcjazz
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Here's a recent article on Terry that was sent to me by Dick Morrissey's son, who I met online.
I like what he says about college jazz players.
Terry Smith - what we played - Jazz Journal
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Ed Thigpen left the Oscar Peterson Trio in 1965 and by 1972 moved to Copenhagen.
Martin Drew was Oscar Peterson's regular drummer (both live and in the studio) from 1974 to 1997.
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Great interview, thanks. I’m amazed Terry still does any gigs at all! I haven’t seen his name mentioned anywhere recently. It’s nice to know he’s still active. Originally Posted by sgcim
Here's a recent article on Terry that was sent to me by Dick Morrissey's son, who I met online.
I like what he says about college jazz players.
Terry Smith - what we played - Jazz Journal
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