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Quite a cool but tricky tune that doesn't get called a ton. I'm working on it a bit and there are a few challenges I'm finding.
1. What do you play/hear in the first four bars? I've seen lead sheets with a number of different changes. The real book has gmaj7, gminmaj7, g-6, gminmaj7, which I don't think is correct. I've also seen gsus, ebaug, g-6, ebaug, which I think is closer but still not there. Best I can hear is G5 or maybe Gsus, g-b6, g6/9, g-b6. Playing g a d, g bb eb, g b e, g bb eb gives enough information but also enough space, but the recording is a bit nebulous.
2. The first part of the b section is really just triads over C: bb, d, e, f. Probably the most direct way is to just play triadic material vs a whole scale, especially because they each only get three beats, but just outlining the triads can sound stale. Maybe I just need to work some more on my triad material.
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07-09-2024 01:08 PM
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I've found this. Looks like a Real Book page. Also a tone up so probably written for Bb instruments.
My own feeling on these matters is that, unless there's someone who absolutely knows the 'right' version, it's not worth getting hung up on it. Take what is probably a good enough working version (like this one) and run with it. At least you're doing something constructive and aren't completely LOST :-) It can always be fixed later if necessary.
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Yeah I'm not one to chase the original changes in exact detail, I would rather play the changes that everyone generally plays, but I think in this case the first four bars are pretty far off. I really don't hear the first chord as maj7.
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I kinda just hear Gm, Gmb6, Gm6, Gmb6
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From a fake book named Jazz LTD. The Gm- + is what?, a G minor triad with #5 (b6th) ? - odd way to notate it.
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I just can't hear that first chord as major...
Maybe a sus? That'd be "period correct"
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Yes, it's a Gsus, McCoy loved those. The first 4 bars of the chart I posted seem correct, basic triad movement sounds like:
Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
I just can't hear that first chord as major...
Maybe a sus? That'd be "period correct"
G-C-D > G-Bb-Eb > G-Bb-E > G-Bb-Eb
Except I'm hearing the 5th in the 2nd & 4th chords (G-Bb-D-Eb), which will be hard to voice on the guitar.
Nice sound though, Abmb6: x-x-6-4-4-0
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Personally, I think Wayne was just making sounds rather than thinking in terms of proper chords. Seems to me that if the chord's a G sus then the sus sound (C) has already been introduced before it arrives, so to speak.
Probably the reason it's all so ambiguous is because the first underlying harmony is simply a G5, i.e. G and D, and then the melody qualifies it into that sort of Phrygy sound. What the chord's actually called is neither here or there. Same with the rest of it.
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Yeah I think it's a sus, G-b6, g6/9, like the mick-7 lead sheet. Although I realized, if you listen to McCoy comp for himself during his solo he is playing the maj7 as the first chord. The vamp has a vaguely bluesy vibe, you could definitely get away with pentatonic stuff, and the major or minor 3rd.
I would've loved to see what Wayne sent them before the recording session. I assume there must've been a lead sheet.
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The first chord is not a sus4, but a G played without 3rd but with an added 9 (sus2?).
I would never call the first chord a sus4 just because the very last triplet eighth which might already belong to the next bar is a 4.
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The "G-+" is an Ebmaj7 voicing with the 3rd in the bass, so Ebmaj7/G.
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3-x-0-2-3-3
3-x-1-3-3-3
3-x-2-2-3-3
and back
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Ah, you're right, I hear the 9th (A) now, had only a low fidelity YouTube video to go by, but I thought he played the 4th (C) too, so we have: G-A-C-D-G, which I'd normally call a D7sus/G. So we have an inner voice movement from A(9th)-Bb(m3)-B-(M3)-Bb. Originally Posted by Bop Head
Yes, enharmonically, but McCoy plays the min. 2nd (D-Eb) to get that dissonant sound, we can only play something like: x-x-5-7-6-x. Originally Posted by Bop Head
Your voicing will not do: 3-x-1-3-3-3
Maybe: x-x-0-2-3-3 > x-x-0-3-4-3 > x-x-0-4-5-3 > x-x-0-3-4-3. The bass player can play the G pedal point.
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The Jazz LTD lead sheet seems mostly accurate to me. McCoy plays different things as the tune goes on, but during the head I'm hearing:
x x x 2 3 5
x x x 2 4 5
x x x 4 5 5
x x x 3 4 5
hard to tell though, he could also be doing
x x x 2 3 x
x x x 2 4 x
x x x 4 5 x
x x x 3 4 x
all over the G pedal. Instead of trying to think of the chord names, it also just sounds a bit like the James Bond chromatic riff, up and down.
My process for this was to learn it directly from the recording without looking at the lead sheet. Then I checked what I thought it was against the sheet. I was exactly the same for the written horn lines in bars 5 - 8, but it's still hard to hear the piano chords underneath. I ended up listening to McCoy's solo in order to better hear his chords. But of course he's probably playing something slightly different from the head.
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supersoul, I think you're correct that there's an A note in all the chords, but not on top, in a lower register, like so:
x x 5 2 3 x
x x 7 3 4 x
x x 7 4 5 x
x x 7 3 4 x
So the minor 2nd dissonance I'm hearing in the 2nd & 4th chords is not D/Eb as I first thought but A/Bb
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that's next to impossible to play! Originally Posted by Mick-7
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This one is a little denser than I would like for comping. I think I'm at: Originally Posted by Mick-7
x x 5 2 3 3
x x 5 3 4 5
x x 5 4 5 5
x x 5 3 4 5
Sits in a nice range and stays uncluttered to my ear.
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Yes, I no longer play such closed voicings, it's really hard on your tendons. Originally Posted by supersoul
Open strings are often our best or only means to get such dissonance, for example:
x-x-0-2-3-3 >> x-x-0-3-4-3 >> x-x-0-4-5-0 or x-x-0-4-5-3 >> x-x-0-3-4-3
The first measure has a G in the melody so I would not play an A note on top there.
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