Eb Major Scale or F Dorian

**Sailor** · 04-20-2014, 09:30 PM

Eb Maj, C minor, or F dorian on his solo...or all the above??

Tx, Sailor

**mr. beaumont** · 04-20-2014, 09:33 PM

G phrygian?

**Lionelsax** · 04-20-2014, 09:36 PM

I would say dorian with a blues approach, sometimes he adds the melodic mode (major 7th), maybe I'm wrong... And underlines the 9th and the 6th in order not to sound too pentatonic or bluesy.

**Sailor** · 04-20-2014, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by mr. beaumont

G phrygian?

come on man...

sailor

**Sailor** · 04-20-2014, 09:38 PM

I better not even ask about the changes....LOL!

**Lionelsax** · 04-20-2014, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by Sailor

come on man...

sailor

Why not ? He plays so many times the 9th !

**Sailor** · 04-20-2014, 09:42 PM

the 9th of Eb or the root of Fdorian?

**Lionelsax** · 04-20-2014, 09:48 PM

Maybe the 3rd of the locryan mode...
Maybe chromatic, this is the best answer !!!

**mr. beaumont** · 04-20-2014, 09:48 PM

Sailor, my country is not allowed to view this video...what are the chords? What key is the tune in?

Your answer is in there.

**Lionelsax** · 04-20-2014, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by mr. beaumont

Sailor, my country is not allowed to view this video...

What a lucky guy you are !!! Your country protects you from that !!!

**Sailor** · 04-20-2014, 10:23 PM

Key...Eb. Vamp is AbM7 - Gm 7. Sounds F dorian to me though...as well as C minor Pentatonic.

Mr. B.....we live in same country!

sailor (america)

**mr. beaumont** · 04-20-2014, 10:37 PM

Without being a smart ass at all...Ab Lydian?

I'm on my phone here...got two kids sleeping on me...phone says "no" to this one in America.

**Lionelsax** · 04-20-2014, 10:44 PM

With my A 415 Hz, it sounds F# dorian !
Why people are laughing at me here ?

**Sailor** · 04-20-2014, 11:56 PM

not available on my iphone either...just desktop

**M-ster** · 04-21-2014, 09:53 AM

I was expecting Grant to play the form, rather than go into the extended vamp.

**M-ster** · 04-21-2014, 10:18 AM

Here are the changes:

Code:

F-7    | G-7  | F-7    | G-7  | Bb-7      | C-7     F   | G            | G        |

Abmaj7 | G-7  | Abmaj7 | G-7  | Abmaj7    | G-7  . . .  | C-7     C-6  | C-6     :||

Abmaj7 | G-7  | Abmaj7 | G-7  | C-7  G-7  | Abmaj7  Bb  | Abmaj7  G-7  | F-7  Bb  ||

Abmaj7 | G-7  | Abmaj7 | G-7  | Abmaj7    | G-7  . . .  | C-7     C-6  | C-6      ||

Solos ...

Code:

||: F-7(9)  | Bb/C  :||

**Sailor** · 04-21-2014, 01:52 PM

YES...me too. GG plays the form over My Fav Things with Sonny Clark. In another version he plays vamp, like Coltrane.

Love his funky simple playing so much!!

Still can't figure out basic tonality....would you say F Dorian???

Tx, Sailor

**Lionelsax** · 04-21-2014, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Sailor

YES...me too. GG plays the form over My Fav Things with Sonny Clark. In another version he plays vamp, like Coltrane.

Love his funky simple playing so much!!

Still can't figure out basic tonality....would you say F Dorian???

Tx, Sailor

Yes, F dorian for the solo...
F minor for the chords progression, 4 flats in the key if you want classical terms but it's really modal.
You can play F dorian all over the chords progression except on Bb - 7...
On G it can sound, like in kind of blue, phrygian mode on a Dominant 7th chord.

**mr. beaumont** · 04-21-2014, 02:46 PM

Ok, at a desktop. Yeah, F Dorian for the vamp...Sailor, why you messing with me--the vamp is essentially F- to G-(classic Dorian vamp, grab an Allman Brothers record

)...not Abmaj7 to G- and that tune is most definitely not in Eb major!!!

**Sailor** · 04-21-2014, 03:50 PM

I'll post changes I bought tonite...definitely Eb Major....hence F Dorian. Hey Mr. B.....I'd never mess with you

you've always been a huge help.

M-ster says solos are over a F-m7, Bb/C vamp....?

I think the written Vamp I have is AbM7, Gm....I'll post later...same as F-, G- though....right??

Tx Sailor

**mr. beaumont** · 04-21-2014, 04:17 PM

Not really. Same pool of notes, but the strong ones change.

**M-ster** · 04-21-2014, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Sailor

... M-ster says solos are over a F-m7, Bb/C vamp....?

I think the written Vamp I have is AbM7, Gm ...

I think the original pop version was Abmaj7 | G-7, but I took the changes I posted right from Sailor's YT vid -- and the bassist is playing F to C under the vamp. (Y'all ain't listening to the bassist?)

So, it's more like Abmaj7/F to G-7/C. I said F-7(9) to Bb/C, earlier, trying to simplify. Essentially the same thing, right? But, it's F to C in the bass.

And, the key signature is basically 3 flats (not 4). The Bb-7, Fmaj and Gmaj are outside the key center, granted, but check the melody.

**Lionelsax** · 04-21-2014, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by M-ster

I think the original pop version was Abmaj7 | G-7, but I took the changes I posted right from Sailor's YT vid -- and the bassist is playing F to C under the vamp. (Y'all ain't listening to the bassist?)

So, it's more like Abmaj7/F to G-7/C. I said F-7(9) to Bb/C, earlier, trying to simplify. Essentially the same thing, right? But, it's F to C in the bass.

And, the key signature is basically 3 flats (not 4). The Bb-7, Fmaj and Gmaj are outside the key center, granted, but check the melody.

3 flats mean C minor, 4 flats F minor but in a modal context, putting nothing is better.

**M-ster** · 04-21-2014, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Lionelsax

3 flats mean C minor ...

You are correct, this is C minor. Listen to when the melody resolves. Check the chords where the phrases end.

Just trying to help.

**Lionelsax** · 04-21-2014, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by M-ster

You are correct, this is C minor. Listen to when the melody resolves. Check the chords where the phrases end.

Just trying to help.

You're absolutely right ! I didn't listened to the head properly...
The solo is on the IV degree, it makes a kind of suspensive climax, I don't know how to explain it.