Jazz cadence nicknames?

[rintincop]

These nicknames I made up are not used in traditional theory. These personal labels sometimes help me remember the changes to hundreds of standards more readily. .. Alternatives and additional nicknames for turnarounds are welcome.

I, VI, ii, V , the "standard turnaround", the "Rhythm Changes " turnaround

I, IV, iii, Vi , the "Plagal" turnaround (goes to II) the "Satin Doll "Turnaround

I, bIII, II, bII , the "flat 3 chromatic turnaround", the "Green Dolphin" turnaround,
Ladybird I bIII bVI bII

bVII ,VI, bVi, V , the "CTA" turnaround

IV, bVII , the "backdoor" turnaround the Cherokee/There Will Never be Another You" turnaround

I, bII7 , the "Ipanema" turnaround

V PEDAL while playing: I , I dim Maj7 , ii halfdim, ii full dim7, the "Errol Garner turnaround

biii-7, bVI7, ii, V7 , the "Monty Alexander" turnaround

[mr. beaumont]

Gotta have the "Dameron" (a la lady bird Imaj7, b3maj7, b6maj7, b2maj7)

[WILSON 1]

Lady Bird: I - bIII7 - bVImaj - bII7

The "Ipanema" I know as a tri-turn.

The "back door" is interesting as I've always though of it as a iv - iv6 - I but I have seen the bVII7 - I
on a "jazzed" chart I think it was, "The Summer Wind".

[christianm77]

I III7 VI7 II7 'the Embalmer'

I #VI7 bII7 'Mr Reginald'

IIIm7 VII7 bVI7 bIImaj7 'Methuselah Orinoco Jones'

Seriously, these get missed:

I I7 or III7 IV #IVo7 (the Horse)
IIIm7 bIIIo7 IIm7 V7 (Swing turnaround*)
I I7 IV IVm (Christophe)
IIm7 V7+ I (the Waller*)

*my name for it

Personally, I draw an distinction between cadence and turnaround

Turnaround ends on a tension chord, cadence ends on a major or minor chord.

[christianm77]

Monty Alexander I call a Stablemates or Benny Golson
Also Rhythm Changes in ye Olden Days didn't actually include the Rhythm Changes turnaround
Backdoor I have heard called a Yardbird

Here's another
IIIm7 bIIIm7 IIm7 V7 'Four'
And
VI7 II7 V7 I 'round the houses'

This type of nomenclature is dependent on the musician's general knowledge of repertoire of standards. It's not a standardised thing and doesn't work for every tune. Won't work for Stella or the B of Ipanema, and ATTYA will take you a while... But for many standards you can outline the change sin a couple of phrases.

So, I want to describe the changes of the tune Move in a sentence:

'Lady Be Good A with a Honeysuckle Bridge'

(in the ye aformentioned olden days people might have said Montgomery Ward bridge, but Honeysuckle gets the point quicker for those who know Honeysuckle Rose'

OK - describe Lady be Good A'

'I - IV - I - V - I'

Honeysuckle B?

'Long ii-V for 4, I for 4.'

Experienced musicians will decorate these changes appropriately using turnarounds etc.

[PMB]

I, bVII7, bVI7, V7 - "C.T.A" turnaround.

[Robertkoa]

I don't care about the Names but I appreciate having them here for use in Composition.

Reverse Backdoor Cadence(?)

I- bVII- IV- I or Classical Walter Piston I -IV of IV- IV-I
Sympathy for the Devil Cadence .

[Robertkoa]

I, bVII7, bVI7, V7 - "C.T.A" turnaround.

Chicago Transit Authority ?- As I recall this Power Company made the group Chicago change their Name ...

Central Theory Administration ? CIA Branch dealing with Top Secret Music Theory ?

I give up- what does C.T.A. stand for ?

[Robertkoa]

@Christian-
In Jazz Theory ( usually) they say a Turnaround is an Device to add harmonic interest versus a Prolonged Single Chord ( usually the Tonic )

But you are saying a Turnaround ends on a Tension Chord Tritone Sub/ Dominant/ Alt Chord / bVII/ IVb5
Vii°/ bVI etc etc ?

And a Cadence would be including the Destination Chord ? Like in Classical Theory ?

Or should this be a separate thread ?

[mr. beaumont]

Chicago Transit Authority ?- As I recall this Power Company made the group Chicago change their Name ...

Central Theory Administration ? CIA Branch dealing with Top Secret Music Theory ?

I give up- what does C.T.A. stand for ?

It's a tune. Jimmy heath.

Turnarounds get you back to the top.

[Robertkoa]

Thanks Mr. B -
CTA just listened - kind of a slightly Modern take on Rhythm Changes ?

So wherever the Tune went Keywise ...
The Turnaround leads back to the Beginning - usually the Home Key ...?

Or lets the Listener know 'we are back to the Home Key ';after the Pivot Chord gets you there once .

[PMB]

Chicago Transit Authority ?- As I recall this Power Company made the group Chicago change their Name ...

Central Theory Administration ? CIA Branch dealing with Top Secret Music Theory ?

I give up- what does C.T.A. stand for ?

Probably your first guess. Miles Davis (who first recorded the tune) famously suggested it was named after the best parts of a woman...

[Robertkoa]

Probably your first guess. Miles Davis (who first recorded the tune) famously suggested it was named after the best parts of a woman...

Cornea, Toes, Aorta ....

[christianm77]

@Christian-
In Jazz Theory ( usually) they say a Turnaround is an Device to add harmonic interest versus a Prolonged Single Chord ( usually the Tonic )

But you are saying a Turnaround ends on a Tension Chord Tritone Sub/ Dominant/ Alt Chord / bVII/ IVb5
Vii°/ bVI etc etc ?

And a Cadence would be including the Destination Chord ? Like in Classical Theory ?

Or should this be a separate thread ?

Yeah. Makes sense to me to make the distinction. Not sure if anyone else does this though.

In an AABA tune for instance A1 ends with a turnaround and A2 ends with a cadence. This happens in Rhythm Changes for instance and a lot of people miss it.

Here's a classic turnback btw:

III7 VI7 II7 V7

Not sure what you'd call that - Rhythm Bridge maybe?

The jazz theory thing is concerned with what you can do to dress up a tune that already exists - such as Bye Bye Blackbird - rather than the function of the progression of the tune. In the latter case it interests me because I find it helps me remember how they go.

[christianm77]

I, bVII7, bVI7, V7 - "C.T.A" turnaround.

Where I is minor, Andalusian Cadence, Passacaglia/Chaconne:

bVII7 bVI7 V7 Im
Variant
Im/bVII bVI7 V7 Im

We might call it 'hit the road, jack'

[christianm77]

Here's a couple of good books BTW
New Guide To Harmony With Lego Bricks Cork

Hearin' The Changes

[mathieu76]

... and Insight in Jazz. It's a good book. Most of the changes are named after a famous song that contains it. Like yardbird cadence IVm bVII7 IM7. There also names for the 11 changes of key the changes are in. And there is a lot of tunes broke out in ´bricks' and 'joints' in between. This book helped me a lot to see and play through the changes. The names per se are not very useful in the long end but they are at the begining when you learn the different bricks.


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[christianm77]

... and Insight in Jazz. It's a good book. Most of the changes are named after a famous song that contains it. Like yardbird cadence IVm bVII7 IM7. There also names for the 11 changes of key the changes are in. And there is a lot of tunes broke out in ´bricks' and 'joints' in between. This book helped me a lot to see and play through the changes. The names per se are not very useful in the long end but they are at the begining when you learn the different bricks.


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I can't seem to track this one down. Do you have more info?

[mathieu76]

It's InsightS in Jazz from John A. Elliott, a piano player and teacher from Scotland.


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[rabbit]

"Cantoring."

Somewhere on youtube is a video of Duke Ellington explaining that a
rolling I-vi-ii-V was called 'Cantoring' for the chant: "We want Eddie"
from a very early era. Would be called for by a leader to buy a little time,
or as an intro, etc.

Searched in vain; sorry I could not find it.

[StanG]

"Cantoring."

Somewhere on youtube is a video of Duke Ellington explaining that a
rolling I-vi-ii-V was called 'Cantoring' for the chant: "We want Eddie"
from a very early era. Would be called for by a leader to buy a little time,
or as an intro, etc.

Searched in vain; sorry I could not find it.

See the George Benson instructional videos. Maybe one of the ones where he is sitting in front of his fireplace.

[rintincop]

"We Wan't Edd-y" 1625 . Thank you!

I also heard from Don Pullen, when I was his student, that CTA stands for c*nt, t*ts, and *ss

[Robertkoa]

"We Wan't Edd-y" 1625 . Thank you!

I also heard from Don Pullen, when I was his student, that CTA stands for c*nt, t*ts, and *ss

Lol. Yeah . I'll have use that Cadence or Variations on a Sexy R&B Tune to see....the I -vi -ii- V isn't a sexy Cadence in Native Form to my ears..


I remember that Benson Video with George talking about that singing Chant ..imitating the the I vi ii V.