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Anybody who sees the delta knows its major 7 … what they actually play is another story. People certainly write the “triangle 7” on the chart, but it’s editorial and not necessary
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06-22-2024 04:50 PM
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Incredible. Paul has been here since 2011. In all that time he's never seen the delta sign on any lead sheet or website? Or, if he has seen it, he never found out what it meant? Incredible.
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What on earth did I just read?
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Originally Posted by pauln
C add #4 would be used with the “add” designation which is the purpose of that designation.
C++4 is silly … C+ with an added augmented 4 would G#7(#5) and the other thing you mentioned doesn’t even make sense. No one uses “+” in this context in place of the word “add”
So these only turn up when people ignore the practical and functional implications of the music they’re writing.
Any system that doesn’t take into account the practicalities of its application will look ridiculous and spend more time solving problems that don’t exist than being useful to its practitioners.
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Originally Posted by ragman1
I have played with a guitarist and a reed player..both did not read music..but could play any tune that was being called..amazing!
OTOH..I played with another guitarist who got lost on basic blues changes..and he could read Bach.
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Not so incredible..
Modes arranged in a musical sequence
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Triangle Toss, explained:
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We’re clearly all Aebersold kids so I guess the joke’s on us
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Originally Posted by Bop Head
But we can both look down on people who use Aebersold charts for Jobim tunes. Because jazz is all about the pecking order ;-)Last edited by Christian Miller; 06-23-2024 at 11:10 AM.
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
Regarding Aebersold charts: I haven't looked at the Aebersold Jobim charts yet (knowing where to find the originals) but e.g. the Dameron stuff is quite good, especially compared to those famous fake books whose names I hardly dare to speak out loud ...
But the Aebersold scale syllabus never interested me -- thank God and Werner Pöhlert. Who won national jazz polls in the 50ies, so he was high ranking in the national jazz pecking order.
EDIT: There are Werner Pöhlert signature models by Höfner.
EDIT 2: Time to pick up my axe. Just got a picking order.
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Originally Posted by Bop Head
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
Wolfgang-Lauth-Septett - Tele Funky : WOLFGANG-LAUTH-SEPTETT : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
There is more with Wolfgang Lauth on YouTube, search for "Wolfgang Pöhlert" in quotation marks (you can copy from here because of the umlaut).
Later he concentrated more on renaissance and baroque music and developing his teaching method (of which the out-of-print "Basic Harmony" can be also be found used in English if you are lucky).
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Originally Posted by Bop Head
the second track was better.
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I downloaded Pöhlert's book. I wonder if Coltrane read it...
Coltrane...
Pöhlert...
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Originally Posted by pauln
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Originally Posted by ragman1
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Originally Posted by pauln
BTW could you provide a link? Someone really took it upon "theirself" to scan a few hundred pages ... I have always been interested in the translation.
EDIT: The English edition of "Grundlagenharmonik" is "only" 579 pages. The 9th German edition I have is 931 pages.
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Originally Posted by Bop Head
So I'm wondering where the drawing came from. But you may not know, of course. We'd have to ask Paul.
The Coltrane drawing is a fascinating piece of art... but musically pointless.
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
Wolfgang Lauth - Piano
Werner Pöhlert - Guitarre
Peter Trunk - Bass
Joe Hackbarth - Schlagzeug
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Originally Posted by ragman1
The book is an absolute hoot! Thousands of illustrations, fantastic development of structures, the appendix has pages designed to be cut out with little windows with other pages designed to be cut into strips to be slid through behind the windows. As soon as I finished downloading (over 100MB pdf file) I started to look it over and three hours later I kind of snapped out of it like from a dream... the last time I read something that did that was Buckminster Fuller's Synergetics.
Here's a few pages...
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Originally Posted by ragman1
And disclaimer: I am not the only German who learned Latin in school. Which is not a prerequisite for 99 % of the population for knowing what the lean-word et cetera means. When I worked in a kindergarten the kids probably would not know yet ...
Originally Posted by ragman1
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Originally Posted by pauln
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Originally Posted by Bop Head
https://annas-archive.org/md5/d10569...1b176732958dd1
I used "Slow Downloads - Option #3: Slow Partner Server #3 (no waitlist, but can be very slow)"
Took about 15 minutes
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The diagram posted by Paul doesn't appear in the three images he posted. Assuming it did come from the book, and the book is in English, then etc is obviously fine.
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